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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #810 on: September 05, 2015, 06:17:26 AM »

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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #811 on: September 05, 2015, 03:24:23 PM »
Here it is!

She looks like she has boob asymmetry. :(

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Re: who's bigger? Chelsea or Beshine?
« Reply #812 on: January 31, 2016, 12:07:39 AM »
Nice graph.  ;D

As I am much more into naturals the whole Chelsea vs Beshine discussion is more of a diversion and I find will be difficult to lock down unless some fairly scientific measurements are done. The high likelihood that any numbers we get from the women are suspect and variable depending on circumstance makes the determination problematic.

From a purely social approach I would say that Beshine has greater volume now and has from about 2012 on. I anticipate that we are approaching the end of Chelsea's massive phases and that she will maintain a slightly more manageable size for the next few years before reducing again to "simply huge" in her late 40's.



I tackled this calculation over in the Breast Rating thread.
Here: http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?topic=9992852.msg10348577#msg10348577
Note: math error reduced Chelsea and Beshine by 2 cups - this has been fixed. **

At the moment, and using the best most cross-referenced data, Chelsea Charms is slightly larger in volume and % of body mass that is boob. Beshine is very close behind however has larger tatas for her body proportions / build.

I know there is a good bit of confusion about values, units, amounts, etc. There is also the tendency to exaggerate and use hyperbole when dealing with women with such cartoonish dimensions. I did some digging to get as close to verifiable numbers as I could and back-checked them to see if they were even logical or physically possible.

The trick was to lock down three values, height, weight and bra size for the same moment in time as their breast size fluctuates so much. I also would reverse calculate from other concurrent dimensions to see if I would get the same results. For example, I would find a report of the total distance around Beshine or Chelsea which happens to also be use in bra size calculations. From that I could determine if the difference between that value and their band size would generate a bra similar to the one they state. Essentially could I "back into" their advertised size and get the same results?

Another cross-check was to look at their stated starting sizes, usually something they do not exaggerate. I could then "build" up from that base to see if stated numbers were even viable.

This is what I determined:
Chelsea at Bq = 793 **
Advertised size 153XXX = 153cm (60") & XXX = known exaggeration and meaningless
Advertised volume at that size = 7000 cm^3
Bra size band = 34
Bra size cup = XXX is a Z cup or +26" above band for a total of 60" around which is 153cm (see above)
Height = 5'-2" (actual height)
Weight = 178 lbs (actual weight)
Breast size for a 34Z bra
Breast diameter = 31.75cm - widest expanse across both breasts apx. = 64cm (25.2in)
This means that her chest will extend over 8in on each side of her torso
This is confirmed photographically with items of known size and her height
This yields a breast volume of 8357 cm^3
Most recent fluid expansion up to 10,000 cm^3 actually works with these numbers
Assuming the 10,000cm^2 claim less the reported drain down maintenance 1000cm^3 and 590 cm^3 base tissue
10,000 - 1000 - 590 = 8410 cm^3 a difference of 53 cm^3
Combined breast weight = 30.08 kg which matches the reported max weight (30kg) at this size

Conclusion: Although there is a bit of figure and units trickery the reported volumes are in keeping with actual size. Due to her more open reporting and longer duration in the public eye her numbers simply come across as more accurate and representative.

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Beshine at Bq = 856 **
Advertised size 59Z - interesting as this is almost the actual Chelsea size (60Z) when converted to real values
Advertised volume at that size = 10,000 cm^3
Bra size band = 32 (suspect, see below)
Bra size cup = 59-32=27 not 26 therefore the Z cup designation may be off by 1 cup or 1 band and the odd number designation is off by 1 for a bra size - most likely 58. 58-32=26 = Z cup.
Height = 5'-6" (actual height, 4" taller than Chelsea)
Weight = 79.83 kg (actual weight)
Breast size for a 30Z bra - adjusted to maintain a true Z cup designation (sister size)
Breast diameter = 30.03cm - widest expanse across both breasts apx. = 60cm
This means that her chest will extend over 8in on each side of her torso
She will look very much like Chelsea.
This yields a breast volume of 7088 cm^3 however could be 7705 cm^3 if at 59Z size
This is very close to the 7000 cm^3 base maximum confirmed for Chelsea without serum expansion
Combined breast weight = 25.52 kg which matches the reported max weight 55lbs or 27.5lbs ea.
This seems high as the reported weight is only 20lbs each.

Conclusion: Beshine (Mayra Hills) has some odd and most likely exaggerated values, but not by very much. She has a greater disconnect between her various reported numbers and they do not cross-reference as well as Chelsea's.
I would have to say that she may simply be trying to hit a Z cup which alludes to a XXX cup for marketing.
Her slighter build also pushes her right into the proportionality of Chelsea.

Summation:
Chelsea advertised at 10,000 cc probably hovers around 8357 cc due to fluid accumulation
Beshine advertised at 10,000 cc probably hovers around 7705 cc or more depending measurements
Chelsea has a more breast shaped chest with more sag and elliptical deformation which hides their full size unlike...
Beshine has a spherical installation on a very slight build so she simply reads larger.
It is interesting that both women are so close in actual "bra size" - essentially a cup or band size difference.
A 10,000 cc would require breasts 6 cups larger on both which is a large volume change at these sizes.
10K just reads more impressively, as does XXXcup or 153 which are not really helpful in this discussion.
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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #813 on: January 31, 2016, 03:24:46 AM »
Used information
What sources did you use for the used measurements? Looking at the numbers they where likely tertiary sources. Since there are primary sources available this is an strange choice. Primary sources have a much higher value.

Used measurements
Why did you choose to use bra sizes. Bra sizes are widely known for being unreliable and being hard to determine. To get to the bra size the measurements of the model were already converted. Converting them back to other data makes it certain you end up with unreliable numbers.

Verification
What pictures did you use to verify your numbers. Both models publish newer and older images without accurate date stamp. Unless you have a reliable picture this isn't worth much.

As of now the value of your conclusion is low. Way too many variables and own interpretation are involved by coming to this conclusion. I hope you can correct this, its always interesting to see a detailed analysis like this.

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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #814 on: January 31, 2016, 10:44:57 AM »
Used information
What sources did you use for the used measurements? Looking at the numbers they where likely tertiary sources. Since there are primary sources available this is an strange choice. Primary sources have a much higher value.
My review of source information was just that, a review. To say that models are notorious for manipulation their numbers and turn around and say that primary sources have higher value is counter-intuitive. In lieu of selecting a single source (primary, secondary, tertiary, etc) I looked at consistency across multiple sources in an attempt to find commonality. Because all the data is suspect I wanted to see if the degree of exaggeration was consistent or varied. It was not constant. Therefor the focus was on determining which values were most representative of a single point in time vs. an amalgam of values spread over several years. The core of the problem is there is rarely a verifiable point when fixed dimensions are established. One rarely gets all the critical data at one point in time from a trustworthy source. Thus, the burden is to determine data that supports itself.
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Used measurements
Why did you choose to use bra sizes. Bra sizes are widely known for being unreliable and being hard to determine. To get to the bra size the measurements of the model were already converted. Converting them back to other data makes it certain you end up with unreliable numbers.
I used bra sizes for two critical reasons. 1) they are the most often reported breast size measure through time. Even if completely erroneous, they produce a timeline of change and numerous points of reference. Many times a photo, medical measurement, disclosure from the model, etc. is related directly to a date and reported bra size. 2) A bra size is indicative of a breast volume, if the model says they are a particular bra size they are asserting that is a volume they fill. This timeline can point to points when reported values and reality diverge.
The conversions I demonstrated were to show if the most reliable bra size provided from multiple sources did in fact equal the reported breast volumes also reported. I was not double converting but rather showing if the conversions actually were equal to each other - did bra size = breast volume?
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Verification
What pictures did you use to verify your numbers. Both models publish newer and older images without accurate date stamp. Unless you have a reliable picture this isn't worth much.
This is precisely why I did not rely on photographs to establish size directly. I did reference photos that had verifiable dates. For example, I would find an image of Beshine or Chelsea at a known event, that occurred on a known date. I would find spontaneous images of fans with the models who happened to be holding items of known size next to their chests allowing for real-world measurement comparison.
If a model says their chest is a particular size, do spontaneous third party images verify this?
For example, when my calculations suggest the the thoracic cross-section of Chelsea would imply an extension of around 8" I looked at photos of a beer bottle (of known brand and physical size) held next to her chest at an event when she (primary source) said she was at a particular size. The degree of extension was photographically verifiable.
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As of now the value of your conclusion is low. Way too many variables and own interpretation are involved by coming to this conclusion. I hope you can correct this, its always interesting to see a detailed analysis like this.
I was not looking for value but rather confirmation of the reported values. The only variables I used were bra sizes and cubic centimeters as reported by the models, directly, through their agents, and by third parties.

Actually I felt that I was using very few variables.

What I took away was this, the numbers reported by models or their agents are extremely untrustworthy.
Primary sources, in this case, must be taken as suspect - especially with statements like, "they corrected this years ago" or "this was changed recently".
The most often recorded values are bra sizes over time.
Reports of volume change, i.e. 1000cc added lack any data about start and stop points.
If a model directly states they are 32Z that implies a breast volume, if not, then their statement lacks credibility not the volume a 32Z bra has. The bra size and its volume are fixed, the statement is what can lack validity.
Photographs, especially spontaneous third party images, are the best to help bolster size comparisons to calculated expectation, especially with items of known size. Just placing photos of two models next to each other is misleading as there is almost never a common scale reference.
Reported weights of models are equally suspect. Just take Beshine's current reported weight and subtract her current reported total breast weight, what is the remainder? Can a woman of her height and build be that light? Remember she also reports having started at a thin A cup so any added breast augmentation weight is just that. Look at recent photos of her, does the rest of her body even look like she could be as skinny as the math would suggest. Remember - these are all her direct primary source values and remember all numbers she provides are dubious at best and must be current. (One can see why going off just model provided information is so difficult to trust)
Chelsea's stats simply cross-reference very well. Her reported bra size has a volume that works very well with her reported volumes both in terms of her reported drain downs and serum accumulation amounts. Her reported weight is right around what one would expect at those sizes (breast weight + body weight = reported weight). Her calculated breast weight based off her reported bra size is equivalent to her reported breast weight.
Beshine (and I included her Hills name simply to show the breadth of my research) just has numbers that are a bit more suspicious as they do not as cleanly cross-reference. As I said, I feel this is more just slight exaggeration to better match to marketing expectations.
At these ridiculous sizes we are talking about minor changes in apparent size.

Subjective perception versus Objective measurements
To refocus the discussion I will say that in this case the two models are surprisingly close.
Regardless of what they both report as their current size, around the end of 2015 they are very similar.
Chelsea vacillates up and down in volume more than Beshine so it is likely that at times she is smaller.

If I was pressed I would have to say that Beshine looks larger and may be at times whereas Chelsea can be larger and has more trustworthy data to back it up.
I too enjoy this sort of analysis.
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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #815 on: March 04, 2016, 12:01:56 PM »
Photographs, especially spontaneous third party images, are the best to help bolster size comparisons to calculated expectation, especially with items of known size.

On-topic, then?: The numbers where there when I arrived.
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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #816 on: September 19, 2016, 01:43:38 AM »
Here is the Bq chart with both women indicated. Follow the link above for the math behind their placement.



List:

This is a random group of **28**, adult models, BEA princesses, and other women of note that have been recently listed in threads at the BEA along with their Bq score. All are assumed natural unless noted otherwise.
Note: This is not a rank of breast size but the relativistic breast quotient (Bq) score.
See the previous posts about the Bq determinations which requires known height, weight and bra size of each subject.

 Ꞛ = BEA Princess
 * = Augmented
 ⱡ = Medical Condition

Bq ranges
000 - 050 = Small or Fat breasts
050 - 075 = Medium or Plump breasts
075 - 125 = Average Size for body shape
125 - 150 = Large or Full breasts
150 - 200 = Very Large or Abundant breasts
200 - 300 = Massive
300 +

THE LIST
No Small Bq scores
Medium
59   Miranda Kerr
59   Megan Fox
59   Shakira
61   Charlize Theron
62   Natalie Portman
63   Chiara Ferragni
64   Beyonce
64   Gretchen Carlson
65   Jennifer Aniston
69   Britney Spears
71   Miley Cyrus
73   Nicki Minaj *
75   Lily Cole
Average
76   Jennifer Lawrence
80   Carrie Fisher
82   Tyra Banks
84   Paris Hilton
84   Olivia Culpo
84   Erin Brady
85   Katrina Kaif
86   Olga Kurylenko
86   Monica Bellucci *
88   Jennifer Lopez
88   Ayesha Takia
94   Gal Gadot
95   Robyn Lawley
96   Hannah Davis *
101   Kim Kardashian
103   Katy Perry
104   Emily Ratajkowski
104   Courtney Stodden *
107   Alyssa Milano
108   Carol Vorderman *
108   Average Woman
109   Christina Hendricks
109   Ashley Graham
114   Kate Upton
114   Tara Strong
115   Kaley Cuoco *
118   Raquel Welch
119   Melissa Rauch
119   Elle MacPherson
120   Alice Eve
120   Lynda Carter
120   Lindsay Lohan
Large
128   Marilyn Monroe
132   Scarlett Johansson
132   Bianca Bloom
137   Katherine Heigl
142   Jessica Biel
144   Jenny McCarthy *
148   Sofia Vergara
Very Large
153   Kaitie Cali
155   Anorei Collins
156   Ꞛ Shara
156   Salma Hayek
167   Jennifer Love Hewitt
168   Carmen Electra
170   Ꞛ Kithara
173   Rene Love
173   Halle Berry
174   Jeri Ryan
181   Nadine Jansen
182   Monica Mendez
188   Abigail Ratchford
190   Alyssa Lynn *
197   Adrianne Black
Massive
203   Ꞛ Pink Lisa
207   Pamela Anderson *
208   Kelly Madison
209   Katie Thornton *
223   Winter Pierzina
225   Valentina Matteucci
226   Sarenna Lee *
228   Kerry Marie
232   Samanta Lily
242   Penny Brown *
251   Ewa Sonnet
253   Ꞛ Mrs.Pacman
263   Veronika Black *
265   Princess Levi *
276   Yulia Nova
295   Rachel Aldana
Hyper
328   Virginia Bell
334   Wendy Fiore
339   Sabrina Sabrok *
342   Sheyla Hershey *
343   Ꞛ Kristy Lovett *
345   Milena Velba
367   Norma Stitz
381   Debbie Delmar *
405   Elaina Gregory
415   Toni Francis
426   Hitomi Tanaka
456   Isabelle Lanthier ⱡ
605   Crystal Storm *
607   Minka *
673   Chelsea Charms *
739   Beshine *
768   Mistress Rhiannon *
790   Maxi Mounds *
803   Ꞛ Keisha Evans *
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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #817 on: September 19, 2016, 01:49:50 AM »
Abbi Secraa must be in there somewhere, in the Milena range...

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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #818 on: September 19, 2016, 09:07:52 AM »
really, chelsea and beshine should make a photo session together

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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #819 on: September 19, 2016, 12:33:38 PM »
Abbi Secraa must be in there somewhere, in the Milena range...
Over on the Bust Rating (Bq) thread someone asked about Abbi Secraa. As she is not part of this thread you can go there and read what I determined.
Here: http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?topic=9992852.msg10349007#msg10349007
(Essentially untrustworthy data)
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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #820 on: January 04, 2018, 09:19:33 AM »
i love this chart to an unbelievable degree...

Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #821 on: January 05, 2018, 06:40:57 PM »
Gonna have to add Lily 4k on there since she's now 6K and looking to get bigger still... :)

Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #822 on: December 10, 2018, 12:13:25 AM »
really, chelsea and beshine should make a photo session together

With Beshine traveling to the US soon this might finally happen! Somebody should ask her and Chelsea to meet  8)

Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #823 on: July 26, 2020, 11:28:57 PM »
So with the recent events its time to revive this topic again. With a certain model retired and/or reduced, this changes the whole huge boob landscape. Also many of the big names of the previous years like lilly or ample ann seem to be inactive and have likely gone smaller. Who are left at this point?

Beshine at an unknown huge size. And then Foxy MV at 7,5K, Keisha at 6k and Allegra at 5.2k? Are we at the point where Beshine is as big as the number 2, 3 and 4 combined?

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Re: Who is bigger? Chelsea, Beshine or someone else? MERGED
« Reply #824 on: July 27, 2020, 05:19:29 AM »
So with the recent events its time to revive this topic again. With a certain model retired and/or reduced, this changes the whole huge boob landscape. Also many of the big names of the previous years like lilly or ample ann seem to be inactive and have likely gone smaller. Who are left at this point?

Beshine at an unknown huge size. And then Foxy MV at 7,5K, Keisha at 6k and Allegra at 5.2k? Are we at the point where Beshine is as big as the number 2, 3 and 4 combined?

Keisha herself, or at least her site, seems to have been inactive since June of 2019. Now, all three combined are at 18.2 K. Beshine can only be guessed at since it's been approximately 9 years since she gave a number, 10K, and while she is bigger now, the best estimate I can give is 14 - 15K. Nevertheless, with the recent news of Chelsea, it is obvious that as of now, Beshine reigns supreme now.  :)