[cynic]

I wish there were more news about the Ghana woman.  But my guess is that those butchers, err I mean doctors, provided her a breast reduction, so another fantasy woman is gone.

For the record, I want her to be happy and comfortable too.  But if she didn't mind having those giant boobs around, I would beg her to keep them and give her all my money and pay someone my left nut just to spend a few weeks with her!

[jat470]

Read this over at 'Tits R' Us', thought those of you who commented on the first Ghana hypertophy post might be interested:

I see over at the BEA Forum that the pointy-headed, hypocrital psuedo-intellectuals have weighed in early on the Girl from Ghana — GfG. Oh, how sorry they feel for her. Oh, how unsexy and uninviting this obviously painful condition is. How important it is that she get some help before this disfigurement damages her or completely ruins her health.
    Bull corn.
    And what rubbish, what absolute rot from this bunch of self-righteous do-gooders who don't know a nipple from pimple. There is the suggestion that since this has happened to GfG by no desire of her own that she should rid herself of this plague and soon. However, had she actually chosen to be this way and had her tits rode up high on her chest, à la Chelsea, then all would be well. As it is she is about to suffer greatly from her gargantuan boobs.
    Listen, guys. Where these things are riding is of no consequence. It's the weight, if there is any damage to be done, and Chelsea could just as well suffer. But that's not the point here. There is the observance that the girl is suffering in pain and yet I see none of that. What she is suffering from is the overt attention being given her by these supposed concerned doctors and the fact that she is being photographed in this situation. She may already be embarrassed by her huge hangers. Having them photographed by complete strangers (especially if she has never been photographed before) can be traumatic in itself.
    But look at this from another angle. Had she gotten herself an agent who had her fitted with 32-quadruple Z-cup bras, costumes, wigs and makeup, then put her on the international show circuit, she would be hailed by you same people as an absolute goddess. She's very much like Norma Stitz, though not as heavy, and had she made videos and promoted herself to Guinness as the world champeen tit queen you would have been singing her praises. [Speaking of Norma, are we going to hear her weigh in on this?] And speaking of Guinness, would they consider GfG to unseat the great Ms Stitz? Or since GfG is poor and from a third-world country would such recognition be construed as so very un-PC?
    Look at the words used in describing this girl, who we know nothing of but from the photos. She is called 'cursed', her breasts are 'parasites'. One timid poster admitted to liking her breasts but kow-towed to the crowd by saying he was likely a pervert for daring to do so. They go absolutely ga-ga over the growth experienced by Chelsea, growth that is as far from 'normal' as can be. Though out of the ordinary, what GfG has hanging from her chest is as natural, ergo normal, as can be. And should they be 'riding high' on her clavicle, as suggested, she would appear easily twice as big as Ms Charms. With her nipples sticking over two feet straight out from her chest would this bunch still consider them ugly and in need of excisement? With most of these people this is more a matter of what they consider pleasing appearance than with real health concerns.
    Suppose she had a website and communicated with the pinheads on the BEA Forum. What would be their conclusions about her then? Were she a Subgirlie or some other woman proudly proclaiming her love for her biggies, this bunch would be lauding her praises. Lastly, were she white and from Germany or the U S what then would their reaction be, especially if it looked like there was pressure on her to be reduced?
    Let's get real about this. We know nothing about this girl or why she is in this particular situation. Did she call the doctors or did someone in her family? Is she really in pain or just in discomfort and inconvenience? Ask Chelsea, ask Norma, ask any massive-breasted woman if they are uncomfortable. Ask these women if their whoppers are ungainly and a super headache (and backache). If they are honest, the answer will be yes in all cases. Do they then want to be rid of their gargantuan 'parasites'?
    The answer should be obvious. Why should it be any different for this woman? If she were in any other situation where she had the option of saying she wanted to exploit what she had, you can be damn sure the usual gang of suspects over at the BEA would be ready to help. But that won't happen. She has already been reduced to the land of the 'normal' and the ordinary and will fade into history and into the crowd of the mundane.

Embargo

Gosh!

[BillN]

This is America.  Where everybody is entitled to an opinion.

It's just that most of us can express it in 25 words or less.

[Lightfoot]

I had already seen it.

I don't like being called a "pinhead", but it's Al's soapbox.  He can say what he wants.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

it just goes to show how the whole r&d crew feels about anyone not in thier little click.

I have grown very tired of the way R&D bashes anything or any one who they feel is not up to thier standards.

What I'd like to know is who made them god?

Answer is no one, self proclaimed.

Agree with me or we'll write bad things about you in our "newsletter".

What's up with them anyway? They produce a porn letter. Period. Now put some artsy fartsy images or words in it and suddenly they've become king of the sandbox.

Maybe if they'd just try to produce something worth while instead of trying to educate the masses with porn news and porn tape reviews they'd have something I'd start reading again.

I'm sorry if my "blue colar" life isn't good enough for them. Maybe they'll think about me and my coveralls the next time they fly in a plane I just spent all night overhauling so they can fly all the way to asia to show pictures in a porn review.

So you see my education was in aircraft, not art. Who nows, maybe I'll take the next steps and finish climbing the ladder to comercial pilot instead of priate so next time I'm in control

[JS]

As far as I know, R&D is not responsible for the content of the letters they get. This is just an opinion of an American reader and not the editor's statement. BTW, if you want to see s.th. "worth while", have a look at the "Return of the Ding Dong girls"...

JS

[sheber]

JS, well put. While Al is not afraid to toss barbs at anyone (myself included), most of it is tongue in cheek. He reminds me constantly that we(people) often take ourselves too seriously.

[Prophet_Tenebrae]

Yes, freedom of expression - in something which isn't self-righteous, verbose, patronising, hypocritical rubbish - is important for all democracy. (Even though democracy itself is a waste of time.)

It's quite obvious that "Embargo" didn't want to enter into a free and open debate. Presumably because shouting from their moral high ground we wouldn't be able to hear them. If anything sending a letter to R&D is a cowards way out.

[cabanaboy]

Since I was referred to as the "timid poster" who admitted to liking the Girl from Ghana's gorgeously huge breasts by "Embargo"
please allow me to respond.
When I referred to myself as a "pervert" I was using sarcasm. This was lost on many readers of that post, obviously. This "Embargo" is obviously someone unable to read between the lines and clearly without humour to boot. And as for being a 'timid poster". Atleast I've got the balls to respond in the forum where the issue was initially raised.
One of his points,however, did strike a chord with me. It does seem that many posters to the forum prefer their mammaries silicone injected, artificially high and attached to "porn stars". Rather than naturally low-slung, stretch-marked and swaying  from the bodies of real women the way Mother Nature intended.
I hope this thread continues and explores the real issue here.What exactly is our "Womanly Ideal"?

[JustMeMike]

Let me see if I understand this - some one named Embargo writes a letter to R & D, criticizing the BEA crowd about some comments made by a few BEA Forum posters about the woman from Ghana. Al-the Editor's comment is ONE WORD - Gosh!

and because of this - someone named testtest writes a vitriolic letter basically bashing Al The Editor for his acerbic wit, and bashing me for liking Art and Travel.

 

quote:it just goes to show how the whole r&d crew feels about anyone not in thier little click.

I write a video review column. I wasn't aware of being a part of any group/club/click. I live in New York. Al lives in the UK. He doesn't tell me what to write, and I don't tell him how to put captions on the pictures.

 

quote:I have grown very tired of the way R&D bashes anything or any one who they feel is not up to thier standards.  

My opinions are my opinions. I don't bash producers in my reviews. It occurs that some videos are better than others. Period.  

 

quote:What I'd like to know is who made them god?

Answer is no one, self proclaimed.

Agree with me or we'll write bad things about you in our "newsletter".  

God like? Hardly. I am just a columnist, not a creator. Just a describer, not a destroyer. And just a commentator, not a commander.

 

quote:What's up with them anyway? They produce a porn letter. Period. Now put some artsy fartsy images or words in it and suddenly they've become king of the sandbox.
 

If you don't like art just say so. I don't paint the pictures...I see them in museums, read about the artists on the web, and write about them. Why do you call Art, appreciated by millions "artsy-fartsy"?

 

quote:Maybe if they'd just try to produce something worth while instead of trying to educate the masses with porn news and porn tape reviews they'd have something I'd start reading again.  

It's not my intent to educate anyone per se. If you Start reading R & D again or Stop Reading R & D altogether - that won't make an impression on me. A valid criticism would impress me, but you have taken me to task for presenting Art and because I travel. Guess that makes me a bad guy. Our audience is not the 'masses' - our audience is just those who want to read R & D.

 

quote:I'm sorry if my "blue colar" life isn't good enough for them. Maybe they'll think about me and my coveralls the next time they fly in a plane I just spent all night overhauling so they can fly all the way to asia to show pictures in a porn review.

Sounds like your blue collar life isn't good enough for you. Millions of people fly to Asia, Europe, and points all over the world. What's it to you? Why are you upset because I travel. Last time I checked Airline employees fly and pay just the taxes. Ever been to Asia? Yes? No? Who in the world's business is it where I go? Why should you care?

You talk about 'contributing something worthwhile' - R & D has been around more than six years, and AoV almost four years. What was your contribution?

Feel free to read us or not. Feel free to write what ever you like. If you don't like Art or enjoy reading about Art or my travels, just skip those parts. Or skip R & D completely. And I promise not to send you a post-card from Asia.

JustMeMike  

[ August 15, 2001: Message edited by: JustMeMike ]

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Can't see any fault in R & D posting this letter, in fact, it seems they are willing to be panned along with the BEA members.  As far as "Embargo" gripping about our sincerity,  he left out 2 crucial points.  Chelsea has made a choice.  That's her right and she is being compensated for it. Virginal Hypertrophy of this magnitude almost always has severe chronic disorders with other organ systems. Many times the accompanying problems lead to premature death. I would bet that most of those expressing sympathy and concern for the gfG know this.  Besides, ours is a sexual fantasy, not a movement to change the world so that it is a reality.

[Lightfoot]

Ah, I shouldn't post when I've had only a few hours **82**, but my previous post sounds a little strange.

I'm not mad at Al, but surprised that he would post something so negative to at least a good amount of his readers.  I didn't think he put up flame mail (sort of, in this case).

Now that I think about it, he was probably bored and wanted to stir something up.

I still don't like being called a pinhead.  What was that guy thinking, what if Al had posted his e-mail address?

[Prophet_Tenebrae]

Now, now Lighfoot. We know that Al would never post the e-mail of someone in R&D unless he felt that there was a good reason to - in other words, he disliked them.

JMM raises some good points of course R&D is definitely the only webzine which has been around for 6 years and the way things are going at the moment, probably the only one that will still be here in 6 years. The question I have to ask is - paper hat?

[BillN]

Well......we could make fun of their name.....  

NEE!

[TheZookie007]

Being that I believe that I was also being referred to in that letter by "Embargo" that Al published in R&D, I will say only a few words. (I've found that usually it doesn't profit anyone to start jumping in with a flame after being flamed, since there is most likely gonna be some nasty blowback   )

"Embargo', I feel has got it wrong. This has nothing to do with whether gfG is from a Third World country or not. If I recall correctly, I merely said that it SEEMED that she was in pain, and that if she was then she should get some help. As BypassCatch22 correctly stated, Chelsea made a conscious decision to get that big, and seems to be comfortable with her choice. gfG OTOH did not, and she also APPEARS to be uncomfortable (of course, it could be that she's just uncomfortable with being photographed and prodded by some Cuban doctors). So, as I said before, IF she is in pain, and IF she desires to do something about it, THEN by all means, she should. As should Chelsea, or Busty Dusty, or Minka, or any other woman with huge boobs, whether they are porn stars or not. It is their decision at the end of the day, not mine.

Another point: Al is in his rights to publish the letter in R&D. As JMM said, the only thing he had to say, in that British understated way of his, was "Gosh!" HE didn't criticize anyone here -- he left that to "Embargo".  

Finally, ITA with BypassCatch22 when he talked about this being fantasy. Look at it like this: you enjoy WWF Wrestling, and may even root for (say) The Undertaker to "kill" one of his opponents in the ring. But how did you feel when Owen Hart plunged to his death a couple of years ago? See the difference between fantasy and reality? If any of the women we idolize and fantasize and lust over were to suddenly retire, claiming to be in serious physical pain or having some terrible medical condition caused by her breasts, we would (should) immediately sympathize and understand. We wouldn't (shouldn't) start ranting about how they owed us a living by exposing their poitrines, would we? We all recognize that, at the end of the day, when the fantasy is over, we are dealing with real human beings. And that was what I was trying to get across in my original post.

"Embargo", you were within your rights as an American to have the freedom to express your thoughts, but I hope that you will allow those of us who you decided to tell off in that way the right of reply, and come onto the BEA Forum, and let's have it out here, intelligently of course. I don't mean with pistols at dawn or anything like that...
(P.S.: I didn't like being called a pinhead either   )