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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #345 on: April 24, 2013, 11:38:01 PM »
I've been catching up episodes with Clara.  In "The Rings of Akhaten", how come Clara can't understand what all the aliens are saying if the TARDIS translates?  :P
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #346 on: April 25, 2013, 07:29:39 AM »
I've been catching up episodes with Clara.  In "The Rings of Akhaten", how come Clara can't understand what all the aliens are saying if the TARDIS translates?  :P

Well, she seems to think that the TARDIS doesn't like her (which does seem to be true), so maybe it wasn't translating for her there.
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« Reply #347 on: April 25, 2013, 10:57:28 AM »
See, I was watching that episode with Eliza and we discussed whether the TARDIS doesn't like her or whether the Doctor just locked up the door.  But since they actually had her say that, you are probably right.  Hadn't thought about the non-translating thingy, but then, it did translate for her when it came time to talk to the Queen, so, I'm thinking it's just an inconsistency in the script.  Or maybe the TARDIS will only translate humanoid life forms for her  :P.
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #348 on: April 27, 2013, 06:13:18 AM »
We Journey into the centre of the TARDIS tonight! Should be exciting!

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« Reply #349 on: April 27, 2013, 12:07:51 PM »
See, I was watching that episode with Eliza and we discussed whether the TARDIS doesn't like her or whether the Doctor just locked up the door.  But since they actually had her say that, you are probably right.  Hadn't thought about the non-translating thingy, but then, it did translate for her when it came time to talk to the Queen, so, I'm thinking it's just an inconsistency in the script.  Or maybe the TARDIS will only translate humanoid life forms for her  :P.

It comes up in later episodes too.  Though it's only come up because Clara can't get in to the TARDIS--if the Doctor just gave her a key it wouldn't even seem a problem.  Maybe we'll get to see some more about it in tonight's new episode.  At any rate, I suppose it's possible the TARDIS is just translating the words she's "supposed" to understand and no others.

Also, can't wait for the Cyberman episode--as I understand it, it's written by Neil Gaiman.
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« Reply #350 on: April 29, 2013, 07:40:22 AM »
^Indeed?

But will there be wolves in the walls, Coraline?  :)
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #351 on: April 30, 2013, 02:18:06 PM »
I'm betting the Cybermen will either invade the town of Wall, looking for a fallen star or will be in London Below hunting down Richard Mayhew.

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« Reply #352 on: May 01, 2013, 04:23:22 PM »
 ;D

At last, the new Doctor Who has PROPER Cybermen.

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« Reply #353 on: May 01, 2013, 06:01:43 PM »
If true then I hope they make clear that they really are from Mondas not those lame parallel universe pretenders.
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« Reply #354 on: May 03, 2013, 07:16:47 PM »
So I just got around to watching "The Snowmen"....

Liked Richard E. Grant as the villain Mr. Simeon. Would have been nice to have seen more of him. By the way, this probably makes him the only actor to have played both a Who “baddie” and The Doctor (though "Curse of Fatal Death" and "The Scream of the Shalka" are in no way "canonical").

I see Moffat is continuing the idea of making the Companion a "Woman of Mystery". Look, can we give it a rest already? With the exception of Martha Jones, all the New Series female companions have been the "ordinary woman who somehow holds the key to saving the universe". That’s the worst sort of Mary Sue fanwank. While appropriate for all the tween girl fans of the show, he risks losing the other demographics if he keeps it up.

The Doctor does not need a girlfriend. He needs someone to:

1. Explain things to – so the audience can follow along, too.

2. Keep him from getting too full of himself and developing megalomania.

3. Help him see all the wonder and magic of the universe, so he doesn’t fall into melancholy and despair.

Clara is perfectly suited for the last role. There’s no need to build a Rubik’s Cube of plot devices around her. Davies fell into the trap of hypercomplex story arcs; Moffat can still escape it, as long as he realizes that not everyone is watching the show in the exact order that the episodes are being aired, as soon as they are aired. Your international audience isn’t all on the BBC’s schedule. Stop writing the show as if you are creating a boxed set of DVDs and make each episode capable of standing on its own.

To the fans and viewers wondering where the Great Intelligence will appear later on; it’s already happened. See "The Web of Fear". That’s how you do "wibbley-wobbly timey-wimey" without confusing the viewers.

Nice comic relief with Strax. Just enough at the right moments. I figure that his "softness" (as opposed to all the militaristic Sontarans we’ve seen in the past) is due to his being stuck on Earth for so long, away from any real action. Still want to see something of the Rutans, the Sontarans’ long-standing enemies. Shapeshifters who look like electric jellyfish in their natural form – the FX people can have some easy fun with them.

With regards to Clara falling off the staircase/platform into the courtyard, I don't think the Doctor reacted properly to the situation. Admittedly, he hadn't been really himself for most of the episode, but still....

What they should have done:
 
1. After the Doctor sees Clara fall, he runs back into the TARDIS and dematerializes it. Back in the house, we hear a dull thud and then everyone looks out to see Clara lying on the ground. Oh noes! We next see the TARDIS materialize in the courtyard/room. The Doctor comes out, and says "Help me get her inside..." While people get her inside onto a couch/table, the Doctor dashes out into the courtyard and digs something out of the wall/ground. He comes back in, holding a small device. "Force field generator. Put it there six months ago. Should have slowed her fall enough so that she'll make it."
 
2. Strax is fussing with his equipment over Clara's body while everyone watches.
 
STRAX: I'm afraid there's nothing more I can do here with the tools I have at my disposal.
 
DOCTOR: How long has she got?
 
STRAX: A few minutes, at the most. (pause) What about that spare Stasis Box?
 
DOCTOR: "?"
 
STRAX: The one you have in the kitchen. You are using it for food storage. Place the girl in it, and she should last until we can get her to proper medical facilities.

Overall, a decent way to spend an hour.
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« Reply #355 on: May 04, 2013, 01:47:56 AM »
With all due respect, I think the "Impossible Girl" works because...

1. She's written really well.

2. She's really cute.

3. She's f**king hot.

4. A mystery is always fun.

5. Her cheekiness is a fitting foil for the Doctor.

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« Reply #356 on: May 06, 2013, 07:14:33 PM »
Oh, I agree that Clara is a good Companion, especially with the Doctor in his gloom after losing Amy. But do we really need another Grand Cosmic Mystery Companion?

Especially when the Mystery never gets a good solution.

Rose Tyler's "Bad Wolf" meme was set up, and then never did get properly resolved. It would have made sense for it to be the password that allowed access to the interior of the TARDIS console, but no... they had to use brute force to open it.

Donna Noble was set up to be the Savior of the Universe, but then had her entire memory of being with the Doctor erased for no valid reason.

Amy Pond had that whole "crack in the wall/universe" thing, which wound up getting handwaved away (as I recall... I think. It didn't seem to ever be resolved - great set up, no resolution). And wasn't Rory actually an Auton construct after the rebooting of the universe? Please explain then how he wound up having a father. And was there ever a clear explanation of where Amy's daughter came from, and how she became River Song? NOTE: If you need someone to explain it to you afterwards, on what are essentially footnotes from the writers, it doesn't count! It has to be explained in the context of the story, in the episode itself. And in a way that makes you go, "Oh! That's what it was all about!" Like how they resolved the "Impossible Astronaut" situation. All the clues were there for us to see and put together....

These aren't fatal problems, to me, but it is always annoying to have them shoved into my face when there's absolutely no call for it.
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Re: The New Doctor Who
« Reply #357 on: May 06, 2013, 10:04:23 PM »
I'm worried about the whole "Name of The Doctor" thing... Isn't it a law of Doctor Who that we should never learn the true name of The Doctor? Isn't this akin to changing Superman's costume? Something that you DO NOT EVER do... EVER!?

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« Reply #358 on: May 06, 2013, 11:19:04 PM »
Oh, I agree that Clara is a good Companion, especially with the Doctor in his gloom after losing Amy. But do we really need another Grand Cosmic Mystery Companion?

Yeah, I'm game for it.  Why not?  :P

Especially when the Mystery never gets a good solution.

Rose Tyler's "Bad Wolf" meme was set up, and then never did get properly resolved. It would have made sense for it to be the password that allowed access to the interior of the TARDIS console, but no... they had to use brute force to open it.

I missed a few episodes at the end of that season.  There was no explanation for "Bad Wolf", huh?

You mean, there's no explanation... yet.  ;D

Donna Noble was set up to be the Savior of the Universe, but then had her entire memory of being with the Doctor erased for no valid reason.

Haha!  I hated Donna.  I purposely missed whole boatloads of Donna episodes.  I always assumed the they had her memory erased and had that thingy where she couldn't see the Doctor again because she was so damn annoying.  :P

Amy Pond had that whole "crack in the wall/universe" thing, which wound up getting handwaved away (as I recall... I think. It didn't seem to ever be resolved - great set up, no resolution). And wasn't Rory actually an Auton construct after the rebooting of the universe? Please explain then how he wound up having a father. And was there ever a clear explanation of where Amy's daughter came from, and how she became River Song? NOTE: If you need someone to explain it to you afterwards, on what are essentially footnotes from the writers, it doesn't count! It has to be explained in the context of the story, in the episode itself. And in a way that makes you go, "Oh! That's what it was all about!" Like how they resolved the "Impossible Astronaut" situation. All the clues were there for us to see and put together....

Well, here I don't really have a precise memory of things like you do.  I felt that the Amy "crack in the wall" thingy was resolved enough for Doctor Who, and the same for Melody Pond, for that matter.  I don't remember the details anymore, but that may be because there weren't any details.   ;D

The Rory thing always annoyed me, though.  I mean, he's not REALLY Rory, and he should have a gun in his hand, no?  :P  It's almost as if, he got "better" over the millennium and the timeline went back to normal, even though it didn't.  Yeah, in the new universe, he shouldn't have Ron Weasley's dad for a dad, should he?  Perhaps Mr. Weasley adopted Rory.  Hee hee!  >shrugs shoulders<  Guess we never learned how that happened.  That's what I always chalk up Doctor Who inconsistencies to: "We, as the audience, never got to see the explanation part, but it was there, somewhere."  :P ;D

I'm worried about the whole "Name of The Doctor" thing... Isn't it a law of Doctor Who that we should never learn the true name of The Doctor? Isn't this akin to changing Superman's costume? Something that you DO NOT EVER do... EVER!?

Yup.  But DC did change Superman's costume, didn't they?
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« Reply #359 on: May 07, 2013, 08:48:00 PM »
Davies and Moffat are violating the principle of Chekhov's Gun willy-nilly.

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"One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it." Chekhov, letter to Aleksandr Semenovich Lazarev (pseudonym of A. S. Gruzinsky), 1 November 1889.

"If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there." From Gurlyand's Reminiscences of A. P. Chekhov, in Teatr i iskusstvo 1904, No. 28, 11 July, p. 521.

"If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there." From S. Shchukin, Memoirs (1911)

It's crappy writing to make much of a plot point, and then ignore it completely. And leaving it for some unnamed subsequent episode, for commentary tracks, or for the fans to work out - well, that's even worse.

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