[jonnycomelately]

Is there anyone here who knows of or can recommend Dr.s outside the U.S. who do Large custom sized cohesive gel implants. Or is there anyone here who is located in europe who wouldn't mind doing some research on Eurosilicone implants since the manufacturer won't even respond to someone here in america. Im looking for size and dimension info in order to plan "Johnnys_girl"s next surgery.

[flamingo]

Here are some of the sizes of EuroSilcone's Cohesive Gel.  

1100cc   14.8cm Diam.     6.5cm Proj.    High profile
1300cc   15.7cm Diam.     7.5cm Proj.    High profile
1600cc   16.0cm Diam.     9.0cm Proj.    High profile  
1800cc   16.5cm Diam.    10.0cm Proj.    High Profile  
2500cc   17.5cm Diam.    12.0cm Proj.    High Profile  
3000cc   18.0cm Diam.    13.0cm Proj.    High Profile

There are other sizes as well, but I do not have those dimensions.  I have their 1300cc's myself, and they are quite wonderful.  Note how the projection increases much faster than the diameter.  

Yes, getting Olivier to respond from EuroSilicone (he is the export rep and lead guy) is a key challenge since their buyout years ago.  I also think they got scolded by the US.  He was easy to work with back in 2001.  For now, look to speak with the various European distributors listed and ask for recommended sugreons for the large implants in their area.  For example one is Dr. Janssen in Amsterdam [email protected]

In Europe the doctor will order the implants for you.  

Additionally I have appointments with several of the doctors listed in the Wiki in early May.  I'll have a better idea of their capabilities then.  One of them also does surgeries in Italy, which could be a good option.

Good luck with your thoughts and dreams.

[jonnycomelately]

Thanks Flamingo
You and a couple others are why I started this thread, to try to pool our resources in one place.
What we are looking for is low or medium profile implants. We are trying to keep the projection 8cm or below, that is where she is at now. But we are trying to increase the diameter to about 20cm's. She loves huge tits, but doesn't want the high profile round fake look. We want huge tits that can be disguised as big tits during work hours.
Can anybody get a fact sheet for Eurosilicone low or medium projection implants

[MasterDragonfly]

Hey Flamingo,

That's some great info there.  I'll add it to the wiki for others to reference.  Giving you credit, of course, since you seem to be one of the few here to have really done the tough legwork.  More questions may follow.

Also, I'm glad the wiki has been of some use to you.  I get so little feedback on the wiki (virtually none, actually) that I wonder if anyone has found it to be helpful at all.  (I think I need to reorganize it a bit... nothing major, but still.)

Out of curiosity, which surgeon does double-duty in Italy?  Is he one who might work with Eurosilicone whilst based out of Italy?  (I've long pondered a trip to Italy, thinking it would be fun for all.)

And the Dr Janssen reference... this is one of the surgeons, correct?  (As opposed to being a Eurosilicone primary point of contact, that is.)  If you could confirm this, maybe it's time to start a separate wiki page just for surgeons (most/all of which won't be in the USA/Canada, I'm guessing) who deal with / are recommended by Eurosilicone.

Master "just when the info-well seems to have dried up, a new pipeline opens up" Dragonfly

[flamingo]

You are welcome.  

Yes, Dr. Martin Jenssen in a surgeon in Amsterdam refered by the Netherlands EuroSilicone rep.  I am making contact now.  I would suggest only approaching him if you are serious.  Blasting him with unwarranted hits may only kill our chances there...

I do like the Wiki.  I think there is a lot of good information and support for us girls there.  Thank you!

After I meet with the surgeons next month, I'll share more of what is available.  Until I confirm some things I don't want to spread too many rumors.

The more Wiki the better.  Let's keep it growing.

Also, EuroSilicone does not do medium profile implants in the large sizes, but they were able to do custom forms (for a price) of any size/shape we wanted.  So, if enough of us can decide on a perfect shape we can pony up the cash and have a mold made and get a bunch of them made.  Splitting the mold costs amoungst several of us would help!!!  My target is also about 18-20cm diameter and 10cm projection.  So, we are dang close...  Who else would want a set like that???  They'd be beautiful!

[bjy]

I am looking at Silimed 1000cc, but according to the spec. that was given to me, they are quite wide 17.3cm with only 5.6cm projection, I am not sure they will fit me since I have very norrow chest width, certainly  at 17.3 cm, it will need to go to the outside under the arm pit, and my current projection is much greater (at 7.3cm).  Can you share any idea here?

[MasterDragonfly]

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I am looking at Silimed 1000cc, but according to the spec. that was given to me, they are quite wide 17.3cm with only 5.6cm projection, I am not sure they will fit me since I have very norrow chest width, certainly  at 17.3 cm, it will need to go to the outside under the arm pit, and my current projection is much greater (at 7.3cm).  Can you share any idea here?

For crude measurements or "just getting an idea", playing with numbers at home can be fun and informative.

But what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?  Surely you don't plan on performing the surgery on yourself, right?

So why not take your numbers to a surgeon and have a consult, discussing options?  I mean, if you feel you're pretty damn close to being able to cram those large implants into your chest, check with the surgeon to see how he'd go about it.

If it matters, you might want to take note that the shape of the implant doesn't have exclusive control over the shape of your breasts.  Meaning, it's not like you're cramming in a couple of rocks shaped like boobs.  Rocks have very little in the way of ductility.  Breast implants (filled with the appropriate silicone or saline), do.  Therefore the breast pockets created to accommodate the implant could in all likelihood be made a slight bit narrower than the implants which are being inserted.

By way of example (and this would be a very crude one), take a plastic shopping bag and pour a cup or two of water in it.  Now set the bag of water on your countertop (don't let go of the handles).  Now lift up on one side of the implant slightly (if possible, blocking the bag from rolling away from the side being lifted up).  What happens to the portion of the bag touching the counter at the same point where you're lifting up?  It lifts away from the countertop; you now have a smaller 'footprint' (area touching the countertop).  And arguably you now have more of the bag/water 'projecting' away from the countertop.

Not sure if this clarifies.

Master "I'm tired, I've had a long day, so if my example sucks... you do the next one" Dragonfly

[bjy]

Thanks for the answer. So with time, one can expect to convert width to lateral projection, if so, why no make implants that are norrow in nature and have the projection built in, and save all the un-neccessary work of putting   implants that are not made to work? Of course they are making High Profile now, just wonder why not make High profile first and than wider ones for those who require them, or may be the market is demanding wider ones more?

[MasterDragonfly]

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Thanks for the answer. So with time, one can expect to convert width to lateral projection,

I don't see why not.

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if so, why no make implants that are norrow in nature and have the projection built in, and save all the un-neccessary work of putting   implants that are not made to work?

Remember what implants are made of.  They aren't made of a firm scaffolding material to force an explicitly distinct shape of the breast.  They consist of an elastomer shell (think "balloon on steroids") and a very compliant filler material.

If you were to attempt to construct an implant which is narrower but bulbous, you would probably find that the implant shape would collapse, if not while standing on a countertop, then certainly while exposed to the forces of the tissues trying to collapse the pocket created by the surgeon.  Unless you did some serious overfilling, most likely blowing past the manufacturer 20% overfill limit (the one they use to delineate their responsibility for providing a warranty) by quite a bit.

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Of course they are making High Profile now, just wonder why not make High profile first and than wider ones for those who require them, or may be the market is demanding wider ones more?

Who knows what the future holds.  But I can speculate wildly on the present.

I'd say the primary driver is the conservative aesthetics of the plastic surgery community, and the implant manufacturers attempt to address this demand, not the obscure wishes of a relatively tiny percentage of society.

To put more clarity on this, a surgeon will likely be trying more to provide the patient with perky, youthful breasts, even though a small percentage of those women will want fairly substantial implants.  And 'perky' to a surgeon doesn't mean pendulous, or ovoid, or teardrop-shaped.  And if a surgeon suspects that his patient would risk ending up with a shape/size that a) he feels wouldn't be aesthetically pleasing/compelling, and b) a result that he feels the patient would be dissatisfied with, he would at the very least advise the patient accordingly, and more likely refuse to do the surgery, especially if he feels it could risk compromising the health of the patient (eg, implants so large that after closing the suture, the suture tears open again, repeatedly).  It is only that small percentage of surgeons who have pushed the edge of the envelope (so to speak) and enhanced not just their experience but validated their artistic skills who would dare to take on a patient with lofty goals.  And if the patient ends up with substantial lateral projection (the "So Big You Can See Them Both From Behind" look) and is thrilled with them, then the surgeon has accomplished at the very least his goal of satisfying his patient's goals.

Also remember what the pocket looks like.  Not surprisingly, there are strong similarities between what it looks like (ie, the shape created when the surgeon dissects the tissue) and the shape of the implant as you see it in the catalogue (and a catalogue is somewhat artificial, at least compared with the environment known as the human body).  Somewhat crude, but you could think of a breast implant as being a 'wedge' which sustains the shape of the pocket created by the surgeon.

Can you think of a way for a surgeon to create a pocket which is smaller close to the chest wall and larger some 3 inches away from the chest wall?  I can't.  At least, not when going submuscular.  Remember, the surgeon is trying to separate tissues along natural planes of separation.  Meaning (for example) the surgeon is not likely going to 'scoop out' an amount of breast tissue above the chest wall in order to accommodate not just a larger implant, but also the different shape that you propose.

Anyway, for the most part this is just speculation on my part.  If someone who knows better would care to comment, please do.

Random Thought Of The Moment:  Perhaps it would be useful to have a bit of an anatomy lesson here, provided by someone with the appropriate background (ideally a plastic surgeon with experience doing breast augmentations)?  Complete with links to appropriate pages online?

Master "need to stop and recharge my common sense" Dragonfly

[notasurgeon]

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I am looking at Silimed 1000cc, but according to the spec. that was given to me, they are quite wide 17.3cm with only 5.6cm projection, I am not sure they will fit me since I have very norrow chest width, certainly  at 17.3 cm, it will need to go to the outside under the arm pit, and my current projection is much greater (at 7.3cm).  Can you share any idea here?

Seems I'm posting this a lot, but just to make sure you get it, these are the dimensions available for low, moderate, and high profile silicone-gel implants in the 800 to 1000cc range in US.  As you see, you have some choices.

[flamingo]

I've heard no comments or thoughts on a large custom mid profile implant.  If there are a several of us that want it, we could look to share the cost of the custom molds.  That is assuming we can get EuroSilicone to do it.  Anyway, if there is anyone that wants to share in that idea, please let me know.

[Jonnys_Girl]

Flamingo, do you have the measurements in low profile cohesive gel for Eurosilicone? I am looking for a wider implant, right now the 14cm just isn't cutting it.

[flamingo]

In large profile implants, they have no low or mid profile available.  They only produce high profile or very-high profile, excpet for custom made forms that will produce virtually any shape you desire.  The custom ones other than their standard 'custom' ones can be very expensive if you are getting only a pair.  That is why we need to think about options for many pairs...  

Their standard sizes (under 1,000cc) are generally listed on their web site.  http://www.eurosilicone.com/catalogue.html

Hope that helps.

[jonnycomelately]

Flamingo
I see you have met my jonny's girl, I think this is a great idea. But we will have to decide on a size that meets your criteria and hers. Have you taken chest measurements to decide what will fit. The 2nd probably bigger hurdle is finding a Dr. to do the surgery. Have you gotten anywhere with that?
To anyone reading this thread, If your interested in getting very large customs, and don't want over-filled saline. Want a more natural appearence ,(Cohesive gels) Please sign up. Because the only way I see this happening is to pool our resources.
Also, if anyone has any more info on what they will do, how much it will cost, how to get them? Please help us

[flamingo]

I will be meeting with a few doctors from the Wiki list in two weeks.  That will give me an idea of what is possible with them, and what it will cost.  From all appearances, it is possible, assuming we can get the implants.  Getting EuroSilicone to talk is now the tough part.

Any friends in Europe care to make contact and inquire with them?  We in US seem to be ignored.  

The name listed ont heir sites, and who I spoke with on my 1300cc pair is Olivier.  [email protected] (listed on their web site).