[Young_Ross_Meyer]

thanks for the links

[titmouse]

I have 4 or 5 pics of sunwah.

[11]

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This is getting unhealthy. I absolutely adore busty asian idols, like Yoko Matsugane, Rio Natsume, etc etc. I have like, two gigs of pictures.

You think that's unhealthy? Try 3.6 GB of pictures, and 18 GB of videos  

[empire]

Ava devine for the win!

[Norse]

Minka

[AlexHollywood]

kristen muranaga

[diamondgeezer]

Yoko Matsugane for her gorgeous face and huge natural ones, and Minka for her porn-star face and even huger fakes ones ^^

[ahamu22]

On YouTube there are a couple of amazing Yoko Matsugane videos.

Yoko in a red bikini, bouncing amazingly:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dKsKdUJ1jUM

Yoko in an orange bikini, bouncing even more amazingly:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9gBnggWMBms

Can anyone tell me what DVD they're from so that I can buy it?

The reason I suspect they're from the same DVD is that they both have Yoko frolicking for the camera in luxurious slow-mo playback, with similar direction. These sequences really blew my mind.

Besides showing Yoko's magnificient undulations, observable only in slow-motion video, these clips eschew those traits that turn me off from so many "aidoru" videos, namely:

• 1. Models acting excessively silly, goofy and childish. (Yoko skirts that here, but she always does... it's better than sometimes.)
  
  
• 2. Models showing zero feminine mastery of their physical appeal, essentially appearing like little girls, all bright cheeks and bubbles, but no sensual allure (see: Fuko). This reiterates point 1 in a way, but it's worth saying twice!
  
  
• 3. Really static scenes. Like, the girl is just posing, glancing listlessly to the side, while the camera roams up her leg. It's boring; I would rather look at a well-taken photograph (I recognize these are sometimes photo shoots to which the video camera has been invited).
  
  
• 4. Horrible, horrible cheesy soundtracks! The music in the above-mentioned clips is not great, but it didn't ruin anything for me.
  
  
• 5. It all just seems fake. Actually, all 4 prior points could be sub-points to this one. Obviously, it IS fake, but I want a video to at least give the impression that I'm seeing the model's real personality on display, so I can kind of imagine that I know who she is, or I'm really, you know, meeting her on a beach or whatever. So many videos just come off as totally tacky, staged, and goofy that all I'm left to admire is the girl's physique, and hope that I'm horny enough that that's all I need. But you know... It's really not enough.
  

Anyone know what I'm talking about? I wonder what other people think of this.

Anyway, I was thinking, a great Yoko video would take you through a few stages, as though you're getting closer her. It would have a light story element, just to create a fuller fantasy, although it would still be directed and play as a gravure video.

The first scene shows crowds of people at a train station. Then Yoko appears, preferably in slow-motion, her bust wobbling underneath her blouse, pulling her luggage along. We see her for just a moment before she slides out of view; we're looking through the window of a cab, and by now we've left her far behind.

Scene two begins in another public place, maybe an outdoor restaurant or some exotic outdoor shops (it's been established visually that we're on some kind of resort island). Now she's wearing a cleavage-bearing blouse, and we see her bending over to inspect some jewelry. It's like we just happened to see her again, by some miracle.

Scene three takes us to the beach. Now the camera begins closer to Yoko. She makes eye contact with the lens from time to time. Maybe we're now introduced, and enjoying the sun and surf together. Yoko's wearing a t-shirt, which she soon pulls over her head in a glorious slow-motion vision of her wobbling breasts looming into view at last. The rest of this sequence could play a lot like either of the above videos. What would be brilliant is if the scene were shot on a populated beach, so you could get shots of guys staring. Who doesn't like to think that his date is irrisistable to everyone around her (as long as they keep their distance)? Hell, you could have the ladies staring, too -- in envy!

Scene four is dinner at a fancy restaurant. The opening shot has Yoko walking down the hall towards us, her fluid bosom coming into view. Yoko is wearing an elegant dress. I wouldn't want the tone to get too serious-romantic, it should stay playful, but the atmosphere is that kind of candle-lit, posh space you imagine for a really nice date. We get some lovely close-ups of her biting into strawberries with, you know, erotic significance.

Scene five is the bedroom/lingerie scene. Yoko's done a bunch of these, so you can imagine it. It should be pretty sultry, in contrast with the earlier, very bright and playful scenes. Maybe we get some low angles, looking right up at her stomach, chest and face, while she runs her hands over herself...

So that's my concept. If anyone can come up with the capital, I'll write a fan letter and tell Yoko my idea.

Thanx.

Please share your views.

[ahamu22]

BUMP:  Now with links to the YouTube videos. I guess I shouldn't have expected people to go looking for what I was talking about!

[JustMeMike]

You've made some excellent points here -

Unfortunately the models are hired, and take instructions from the director. The director is hired by the Producer and while these are only three components: Model, director, & producer - they pretty much are the creators of the product that you and I might buy or watch.

Since I watch many of these DVD's, I have no choice but to agree with you. Oh sure, we can agree to disagree about a certain model or a certain DVD - but there's no escaping the  overall thought that the entire DVD is staged.

I've seen a few where they go behind the scenes, or do a sort of diary, or a documentary - but we have to accept that these are models, not goddesses.

The genre is a fantasy, not unlike much of the BEA itself.  The Japanese cities are crowded, and people get used to living in small spaces, and the constant crowds on trains and buses. So I'm sure many dream of a fantasy vacation to a Bali, or a Thailand, or Saipan; etc etc.

Why not put a beautiful woman into this fantasy?

Unfortunately, we the consumers, are subject to buying an inferior product because they are also on the shelf waiting to be bought.

I guess the Producers run the same risk - because they hire models who may or may not be aware of what allure means. Or worse they hire a hack director, who also doesn't know what allure means.

If they don't know what it means - then they can't put it on the screen for our enjoyment, can they?

JMM

PS: I'd probably be able to ID the Yoko clips, but I just haven't an interest in registering on the YouTube site.

[Brahma]

I think the reason for the excessive girlishness is the lingering cult of the schoolgirl in Japan.  For some reason, Japanese men are really turned on by school girls--meaning the plaid skirts and all.  The typical Japanese male consumer does not want a woman who would be in the least threatening, and a sexually aggressive woman would be a turn-off.  So, all the models act like silly little girls.  I have to agree that it can get pretty boring pretty fast, but apparently that's what the market will bear over there.  In this case, we in the "West" are looking in on someone else's sexual culture, rather than the other way around (e.g., Playboy in every country).

[r2d2]

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Please share your views.

If someone would just make a DVD of Yoko and about a dozen other well endowed Japanese idols playing topless beach volleyball I would die happy  

[JustMeMike]

I agree with Mr. Brahma as well.

I've watched countless Bikini idol DVDs and a good number do include a scene with the idol dressed in the standard school uniform - which may include such items as a sailor style shirt or a straight white blouse, a tie, possibly a navy blazer, high socks to just below the knee, or thick woolen socks with loafers.

This is what you see in Japan - in Tokyo, in Osaka, in Kyoto as well as in smaller cities. Ride the commuter trains and the city subways and buses, and every where you turn you see the girls all in this uniform more or less.

The Japanese males have made this an iconic figure. Not being Japanese, I won't even attempt to rationalize or explain it.

While you do see this as a costume in many idol DVDs, this has also spread to the Japanese Adult Videos (JAV) only now we are talking about hardcore.

Not that the models working in JAV are still in school (a fact I cannot ratify one way or another) - but the buying adult audience may want to think they are.

And I can't explain that either.

Its all just a cultural difference. The Japanese XXX actresses appear to whimper and want you to think they are reticent. They men seem to talk a blue streak.

In the west, it seems that the women moan and emote enjoyment of their passion and the it is the men that are mostly silent on screen.

As I said - cultural differences.

JMM

[ahamu22]

Interesting comments... JustMeMike, you've described well just the sort of thing I've picked up on.

Now, the mainstream American ideal, which in some ways is the exact opposite, (blonde, super vampy and sexually aggressive) is not my cup of tea either. Both extremes, at least the way they're presented in media, come off as fake to me. There are particular traits and attitudes I like, but specifics aside, eroticism is something that happens between people, in real life situations. Unexpected encounters, the excitement and nervousness of attraction, and so forth.

Anyway, I'm just kind of repeating my original point, but the bikini videos are just really canned looking. A lot of Western stuff is too, just in a different way. Actually, on Chloe Vevrier's site she's got a bunch of videos, most are erotic fare with cheap techno music where she slowly touches herself, undresses, etc. In the scheme of things, these are pretty well produced movie clips, but they're not really very arousing to me, for the most part. The videos I like better are the handicam movies of Chloe in "real life," be it on the set, or (most often) at porn conventions, walking the show floor. Watching her flirt with people, and how everyone around her reacts to her, is much more interesting to me for some reason. It's the kind of thing where I think, if I were there, I would be totally attracted to that woman and I probably would not be able to stop thinking about her for weeks. That creates a real fantasy. Watching Chloe touch herself with techno music is almost as fake to me as watching Rio Natsume make doe eyes at the camera and hop around like a just-hatched little bird.

By the way, there's a clip on YouTube of Fuko catching ping pong balls in her cleavage. Now... I approve of creative scenes like this. But Fuko just looked dumb as mud. She didn't seem particularly cognizant that the situation could be construed as sexy, or show the good humor of a girl who's indulging a silly male fantasy. She was more like a dog that brings a stick back when you throw it. I just can't get into a girl when I'm thinking, "wow, she's dumb." (I know this is a turn-on for some guys.)

On the other extreme you've got Ewa Sonnet, who exudes self-awareness and knows exactly how to use her body, how to tease and how to create that visual payoff. There are some videos where she cracks up after making a certain move, or seemingly in reaction to something happening off-screen. I always love that "breaking the fourth wall," because it shows a playfulness and a sense of humor, and shows that the situation is real. It shows that she is "in on" this erotic video thing that's going on. She knows she's being sexy for the camera's benefit, she knows she's performing, she knows when she slips up. I like that.

P.S. Not to be totally mean to Fuko. Just how it looks to me.

[ZoD]

It does seem sometimes that the model is almost completely performing - she has no part of herself really shining out through that role. It also annoys me when a model (western/japanese etc) is utterly or appears utterly disinterested by the process. A shyness can be cute for a while but a complete indifference to the camera being there? Not sexy.

However that is not the same thing as pretending that the camera isnt THERE - the almost-acting-but-not-quite of many Idol videos is delightful and amusing/sexy/funny!

There just sometimes appears a propensity to rely on physical form and location, as well as camera shots, rather than the model's personality and own style. It is this kind of auterish sameness that makes this soft-core so stilted sometimes.