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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2008, 09:46:10 AM »
I was honestly split between comments on episodes and tags personally, so I'll give what I think about those two.

Comments on episodes would be nice, as we've all seen several times during a storyline where two authors just...hit it off. I've even ran into a few people leaving emails for each other so that they can talk to each other without using the signature line. The negative part of this, is that I'm not always going to go back to specific episodes so that I can carry on a conversation with people. I mean...leave me a comment on my most recent addition, and I'll check it out, but I'm not going to remember to look two or three entries back in a line to see if anyone said anything new a few days (or weeks) ago. Would there be a notifying email for a new comment perhaps?

The other thing is that frankly we wouldn't need this if everyone would just come to the Plume, and come often enough that they could discuss various plotlines and events with the other authors involved (and perhaps some that aren't.). Just something to say, "Hey, I made a special effort two entries ago to keep so-and-so from getting turned into a nymphomaniac animal demon girl...thing, and I was kind of hoping to use her for the storyline for a bit BEFORE transforming her after her character's developed a bit." However, that being said, I don't even remember when the last time I visited the Plume was, and I'm sure no one else remembers either,...or even knows who the hell I am. I'd say we should advertise the Plume on the main page, but...umm...we do. So...what the hell? Maybe if we wrote about the Plume when you added a page? Something like "Congrats on your new post, now go talk about it on the Plume, and get more people interested!" Or maybe if more authors showed up to talk about their storylines or storylines they see developing and like. I dunno...I don't really have an idea for that, I'm just pointing out that *technically* we don't need comments, but they probably would help out for people, like me, who are too lazy/forgetful to check the Plume.  

As for tags, I think that'd be a good thing as well, but something to consider is...how would you add it? I mean....we'd have mf and ff for male/female and female/female sex...but what about furry or transgender? fu and tg? Ok, so far so good. But what about multiple character transformations, while having sex in a vr wishmaker, with Jim's parents while they swap genders back and forth multiple times in the middle of the scene? Does a girl with a tentacle growing out of her count as a herm? What about when she's leaking hypnotic/trans formative milk? We'd have to have a mini-addventure just to keep a list of all of the tags. And who's to say what's transgender lesbian sex to one author isn't just lesbian sex to another? I don't know...I voted for the tags, but that's something I thought of.

As for the other things, I dunno. I post on Superstories sometimes as well, and they have the ability to add options. Honestly, I think the "something else" option USUALLY covers this, and sometimes it seems like it encourages people to hijack stories a little more when they didn't get the option they want. I don't like it when an author doesn't give good options, but sometimes I find myself bending a little more in ways I'd never imagined because they didn't give me an option I was hoping for, and I have fun rolling with it. If worse comes to worse, you can always backtrack and use a something else option from an earlier entry, and not enough of the options in a story get used generally anyway.

Favorites might be nice, but most authors don't need I think. We could have a monthly competition or something if you were planning on glorifying someone for their work, or if you wanted to make a special list, we could do more of those lists I see in the addventure index of various story starts and such. Maybe we could add a rating system to that, and open up nominations for story start markers there? I don't really know what I'm talking about.

At any rate, I think I'll stop writing. I've rambled on much more than I thought.

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2008, 12:47:31 PM »
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Would there be a notifying email for a new comment perhaps?




That was my intention.  There's already an option for putting in your email address to be notified on extensions; I was going to have that also be used to notify you of new comments.  It would still depend on you remembering to fill in your email address each time though.
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or even knows who the hell I am.



I know who everyone is (kidding)
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I'd say we should advertise the Plume on the main page, but...umm...we do. So...what the hell? Maybe if we wrote about the Plume when you added a page?



Yeah, I put links to the Plume on the main page, the Recent Episodes List, and the episode-is-added page... don't know what else I can do there.  And I keep mentioning it in the Addventure when people start comment threads, and sometimes get responses like "I don't want to register on The Plume, so I'm going to comment in the Addventure instead."
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As for tags, I think that'd be a good thing as well, but something to consider is...how would you add it?



It would be something like other sites have -- one of the episode-creation pages would have a set of checkboxes where the author could select as many tags as they feel apply to their episode.  New checkboxes would be added as I thought of new tags that were needed.  As for which tags authors should use, I think that should be completely up to the author, without us imposing some sort of standard (though I think tags should only apply to the content of this episode, rather than to the content of future episodes in the thread -- I've seen that problem on CYOC).  If multiple transformations/fetishes/etc. occur in an episode, then check off more than one tag.

The initial tag list would probably be the tags I use in the Storytree Index.
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We'd have to have a mini-addventure just to keep a list of all of the tags.



Maybe I would start a set of Index pages which let you see all the episodes with each tag -- a "gts" page, a "ff" page, etc.

Another question would be -- should any effort be made to add tags to the 140K episodes we already have?
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Favorites might be nice, but most authors don't need I think.


I'm surprised anyone has voted for this one, since it's the one option on the list that nobody has actually requested before...
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At any rate, I think I'll stop writing. I've rambled on much more than I thought.


Good questions though.
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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2008, 02:30:39 AM »
I've actually sent you a few emails before, so I'm not too surprised if you DID remember me, but I'm sure you get a lot of that, I'm not surprised if you didn't. Either way, your attempts to surprise me have failed. Mwa ha ha ha!

I wish I knew a way to drum up more interest in the Plume itself. I tried posting more on the superstories forum several years ago, but it never seemed like I could drum up as much interest in stories I was personally interested in.  I feel like more people would come if there were already more people coming perhaps, but that's just circular logic.

I think a page for tags would be nice, but what I mean is, how generic/specific are the tags going to be? I mean, mcstories.com has a growth tag, but that's an umbrella for a lot of things (guy parts, girl parts, random parts). Even if you say just breast growth, there's some stories there where the girl goes up on cup sizes, and at least one story where the girl had to be flown to live on the moon because her breasts were taking up too much space. (prohibited O).com covers that a little better I think, but I still think everyone would feel cheated if certain tags were and were not added. I mean...a supernatural tag would be nice, but frankly, I don't care to read a story about a girl turning into a zombie, goblin, or harpy as much as I'd want to see one for a vampire, lycanthrope, or demoness. A lot of tags work fine for umbrellas, but if I'm in a vampire mood that day, I'm more apt to look for vampire stories specificially. But that would mean all of those other creatures would need/deserve their own tags as well. And if you add tags later on, then I might find that a story has tags, but didn't include a tag that wasn't around when the story was posted. I dunno...I think I'm losing my point here. It'll probably already be fine.

As for adding tags on older stories, maybe we could have a swat team work it out. Most of the entries are 3 sentences long anyways...still we'll never actually finish, but I'd be happy to go back and redo all of my own at the very least.

Anyway, whatever happens, I really like this addventure, and I appreciate any work you put into it.  

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2008, 08:21:33 AM »
I voted for Adding Comments on Episodes when this topic was first posted.  The idea of getting feedback (hopefully positive) holds the most interest for me, especially since I try to post episodes that have a little more meat to them then just "Her tits got super big." If somebody thought I wrote something particularly sexy or funny or imaginative, I'd love it if they could leave a comment behind.  Likewise, I'd like to leave comments too - I've come across more than a few episodes where I felt the author did a really bang up job and deserved a pat on the back.

As for Adding New Options, many of the other responses here have gone over the negatives to that idea quite thoroughly.  All I can add is that I agree with them.

Tags - I never gave them much thought before.  Nack has brought up some good points though.  And what he's said makes me think that, more often than not, Tags work better for completed Stories than for individual Episodes in an extend-a-story.  I'm not saying they're useless, just not as useful.

One last question - I'm not too familiar with how these Polls work.  People can only vote once under any particular ID, right?

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2008, 09:19:04 AM »
Good discussion so far.  Actually been pondering tags more and more since they've been pushing out in the lead and one idea I thought I might throw out a slightly different suggestion.  Rather than putting tags on individual episodes, how about you give authors the tags?  Allow each author to setup what tag topics they like, don't like and are neutral to.  That would be a static selection, and make the author name a clickable link on the recent ep list to show what kinds of things they like, etc.  

For people I write with a lot or read a lot, I don't really need to see what a specific episode contains.  I can usually guess from the author (if familiar) and the title if it's something I want to bother looking at.  Author profiles would shorten that process a lot.  It could also serve in one area that comments would, being able to have a reference what a collaborating author might like or not like for possible plot options.

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2008, 11:38:40 AM »
You just GOTTA add comments. I've been pretty much doing exchanges with Anzaleth and I've got little idea as to whether or not my ideas are liked or not. Besides, I'd like to hear why nobody else is joining in (well there was one or two and I appreciate those). Is it the subjects I'm using or is my writing bad?
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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2008, 11:44:34 AM »
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Good discussion so far.  Actually been pondering tags more and more since they've been pushing out in the lead and one idea I thought I might throw out a slightly different suggestion.  Rather than putting tags on individual episodes, how about you give authors the tags?  Allow each author to setup what tag topics they like, don't like and are neutral to.  That would be a static selection, and make the author name a clickable link on the recent ep list to show what kinds of things they like, etc.  

For people I write with a lot or read a lot, I don't really need to see what a specific episode contains.  I can usually guess from the author (if familiar) and the title if it's something I want to bother looking at.  Author profiles would shorten that process a lot.  It could also serve in one area that comments would, being able to have a reference what a collaborating author might like or not like for possible plot options.


Automatically putting links on the authors' names would require a standardization of how people sign their episodes, almost like an "author registration", otherwise how would the software know who was who?  Or putting some kind of fuzzy logic in the code to figure out alternate spellings and ignore author commentary in the sigs.  I currently spend a couple of hours each month reconciling the signatures so that the Author indexes can be updated.  I think kind of programming will take more time than I have to spend on it...
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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2008, 12:23:04 PM »
I've just never watched Teen Titans, Blues. Otherwise I think you're doing an awesome job with what I've read.
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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2008, 12:24:15 PM »
Very good point man

I can think of how to do it, but yeah, may be more time than you want to put in  

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2008, 04:50:58 PM »
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I've just never watched Teen Titans, Blues. Otherwise I think you're doing an awesome job with what I've read.




See? That's why we need to be able to add comments! Thank you, Nack!
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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2008, 08:11:18 PM »
Content tags on episodes is winning.  

I don't really have any comment on that. Besides that it's foolish. Oops. Did I type that or just think it? Anyway, yeah. It's also *yawn* oh geez. That was rude. Almost as if the content tags bored me so much that I started to drift off. Wouldn't want to give that impression. What was I saying? Oh, yes...so "comments on episodes" is winning! Great news. That will really enable an even greater sense of community as authors lend their 2 cent's worth to other author's work on an episode-by-episode basis. Oh, wait. "Comments on episodes" is not winning. My mistake. My eyes must be tired. Content tags. Right. Everybody's been crying out for content tags for years, haven't they? I think my memory is going. I can't really remember many people asking for content tags at all. But, they're winning. People are voting. Democracy in action. And the majority is always right, aren't they. Aren't they?

 

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2008, 03:13:41 AM »
I can't say that I'm all too familiar with content tags.  Where/How do you view them?  Is there a specific list of tags, or do you just fill in a blank space with whatever you want?

Take for instance Chuck's Holy Monkey stories.  Is the tag for them "Divine Monkiness" or "Monkey Feces"?

I'm not sure.  Well, here's to hoping Reader's Comments wins out in the end.  

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2008, 04:59:43 AM »
Is this just a hypothetical question or does the winning vote actually happen? If it's the latter, how long do we have until it's picked?
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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2008, 05:49:20 AM »
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Take for instance Chuck's Holy Monkey stories.  Is the tag for them "Divine Monkiness" or "Monkey Feces"?




Most episodes require both.
People actually *read* those?  

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Re: new Addventure features?
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2008, 01:11:03 PM »
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I can't say that I'm all too familiar with content tags.  Where/How do you view them?  Is there a specific list of tags, or do you just fill in a blank space with whatever you want?

Take for instance Chuck's Holy Monkey stories.  Is the tag for them "Divine Monkiness" or "Monkey Feces"?

I'm not sure.  Well, here's to hoping Reader's Comments wins out in the end.  



If I did the tags, there would be a specific list of tags (checkboxes) that authors would choose from.  I might add new tags as time goes by, but (despite earlier discussion) I don't think I'd let authors make up their own tags.  

Content tags are more traditionally associated with Story Archives, such as the old BEA Story archive or The (prohibited O), though they've also been used in Choose Your Own Change.  Their intended use is to attract readers to an episode by letting them know what kind of transformation or other "item of interest" occurs in that episode.  The tags for an episode would appear in the Recent Episode Lists (and the Index pages), so it would be easy to catch the eyes of potential readers.

Given the discussions on this thread, however, I'm inclined to implement "Comments on episodes" unless there's an overwhelming majority that beats it, rather than the neck-and-neck race we have now.

As to WHEN whatever-feature-it-is gets implemented... I need to start working on it soon, I think.  This poll has gone on long enough.
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