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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2008, 01:37:42 PM »
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I was driving home the other day when I thought of the perfect analogy for this election

Imagine, if you will, a 21 year old girl. On her left is a smart, good looking man, with a stable job a good personality. On her right is her current boyfriend. This boyfriend is emotionally abusive but he's a better looking man than the guy on the left. The guy on her left just asked out the 21 year old girl. She's smitten with him. She goes to the man on the right and tells him she's dumping him. The guy on the right tells her that no one will love her as much as him.

So she agrees to just 1 date with the guy on the left. He picked her up in his car and brings her flowers. She sits there on the date and is exactly what she needs at this point in her life. She learned the guy on the left has a wild friend but is also a down to earth guy and had cheated only once in his life. After a good date, she invites him in the house and the clothes come off. However she realizes that he is like one of her ex-boyfriends. He didn't have enough experience in the sack to satisfy her completely.

Later on the next day the guy on the right asks, what happened last night. She tells him exactly what happened. He flips out and tells her nobody will love her as much as he does. Then the clothes come off and he rocks her world. During pillow talk, he tells her everything she wants to hear and her mind clouds over and they go to **82**.

The next day the guy on the right catches her on the phone with the guy on the left. So he goes out with his friend and they both pick up a set of sisters and they both come back to the house. She sees the situation and goes nuts, but the girl he picked up goes home. Later on, she finds lipstick on his collar after telling her nothing happened?

In the end, she knows the guy on the left is exactly what her life needs. But the guy on the right is toxic, but knows how she likes it. So does she go to the left or does she go to the right?



I like it.  A lot.  

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2008, 05:31:39 PM »
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Imagine, if you will, a 21 year old girl.




Does she have big tits? Is she into older guys? What's her name?




 
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2008, 07:04:25 PM »
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So you are conflating Operation PUSH with Obama? Please.




No, I'm trying to tell you how things work in Chicago.


Ah, I see:
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2008, 04:26:30 AM »
Do be do be doo....  
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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2008, 04:32:50 AM »
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Do be do be doo....  




This is AZWolf "too way damn cool to stop sounding totally aloof to the silly petty concerns of all you suckers" speak for "Palin has convinced me to vote for Obama."  It takes a lot of decoding, I know.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2008, 04:36:14 AM »
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Do be do be doo....  




This is AZWolf "too way damn cool to stop sounding totally aloof to the silly petty concerns of all you suckers" speak for "Palin has convinced me to vote for Obama."  It takes a lot of decoding, I know.

Welcome to the thread, AZ.




Absolutely.  I've written online for our locals and I'm amazed how many want McBush and Palin again.  I'm really quite stunned.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2008, 10:31:22 AM »
I received an e-mail this week from a friend in KS (from his wife actually) which was in essence spam she sent to about 30 of us.

It was in tabular format, listing McCain and Obama, listing what was supposedly key issues and comparing the positions of the 2 candidates.

After reading through the list, it was clear the spam was meant to sway strongly and favourably towards McCain.

One example was their positions on gun control.  I've always found the discussion of gun control within the context of the USA to be a bit of a straw man.  In my humble observation, gun ownership is so deeply entrenched in the national psyche of the USA, I simply can't imagine any politician every being successful in removing that right.  Ever.  Admittedly, my understanding of the concerns might be naive/misplaced.

I'll see about posting it here, for dissection.  I know it won't be as simple as copy/paste, so I'll have to ponder how to do it and keep it readable.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2008, 10:52:14 AM »
Here's the McSpammy Gram, edited somewhat because I didn't want to fight with tables:

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2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

JM = John McCain
BO = Barack Obama

Favors new drilling offshore US
JM - Yes
BO - No

Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
JM - Yes
BO - No

Served in the US Armed Forces
JM - Yes
BO - No

Amount of time served in the US Senate
JM - 22 YEARS
BO - 173 DAYS

Will institute a socialized national health care plan
JM - No
BO - Yes

Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
JM - No
BO - Yes

Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
JM - No
BO - Yes

Supports gun ownership rights
JM - Yes
BO - No

Supports homosexual marriage
JM - No
BO - Yes

Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
JM - No
BO - Yes

Voted against making English the official language
JM - No
BO - Yes

Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
JM - No
BO - Yes


CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN

0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.


OBAMA

28% on profit from ALL home sales.  (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)
 

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN

15% (no change)


OBAMA

39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')
 

INCOME TAX


MCCAIN

(no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
 

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

NOTE: Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
 

INHERITANCE TAX


MCCAIN

- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)


OBAMA

Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

 

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet.  New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)  New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!



You can verify the above at the following web sites:


http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes

http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/polit...s_on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/




I'm sure there are real facts among these 'facts', but will defer to others to chip away at this spin.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2008, 11:32:39 AM »
I saw one comment several times on how Obama could be the anti-Christ because of his message of unifying the people and message of peace and hope. The wolf in sheep clothings, as if he will only appear to be a great charisma winning the hearts of the people.

I ask if some people so ingrain in the religious dogma that they would willing to vote for someone that is a wolf both outward and inward in order to not vote for someone who seems to good to be true.

Is it the battered people syndrome?
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« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2008, 12:28:25 PM »
MasterD, thanks.

I feel moved to respond because my answering machine has been getting all kinds of robot calls on behalf of McCain and the Republicans and I just got a new one this morning.

Looking over this, some bubbles pop spontaneously -- not the least of which is one of the sources being Fox News.  I also worry a little about a site which is "blog" first and not "washingtonpost" first.

The judges claim is entirely subjective.  Come the Bush-Gore election, the Supreme Court "interpreted" the living hell out of the Constitution.  So that claim is, to put it mildly, irresponsibly phrased.  As for health care -- this is a negative?  And as the brother of a lesbian, I have to ask -- supporting homosexual marriage is another negative?

Virtually no liberal on Earth supports abortion literally THROUGHOUT pregnancy, suggesting that it can be performed right up until the moment of birth.  Really wretched phrasing there.  The Bible was not written by doctors.  A quarry is not a stone house; a sack of flour is not a loaf of bread; a fetus has a long way to go yet to become independent of its host, its mother, and become a human being in its own right.  However, no one is anti-baby.  Rare, deservedly, is the liberal who would even touch a third trimester fetus, and they full well know it.

Iraq troops out immediately?  Obama is too much the politician -- and strategist -- to act this bluntly upon the Pick-Up Sticks game that is Iraq.  They know that too -- or should.

The gun question is a flat lie.  The only issue is registration.  Is registration for your car proof that our society is against your owning it?

And 3rde -- I've been wondering a while if the machinery has been playing to a "Barack Obama = Nicolae Carpathia" equation.  Carpathia is the Antichrist of the Left Behind books.  Carpathia makes no historical sense -- Hitler still remains the best candidate for Antichrist I've ever seen (not that I really even care).  Luckily, the Left Behind books don't even make any sense to most Christians.

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« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2008, 03:24:10 PM »
Biggest problem I have with the first part of this is that everything is a yes or no answer, as if there is no middle ground or room for compromise.  As someone very cleverly pointed out about gun ownership.  And just from my perspective, who says the federal government needs to concern themselves with every single one of these issues?  Isn't that why we have state governments with their own governors and legislatures?
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« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2008, 04:36:42 PM »
Whenever I hear the words "talking points" issue from someone's fetid gullet, my estimation of that person drops considerably.

I'm thinking AZ has the right idea.  Relocation seems like the thing.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2008, 04:51:21 PM »
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And 3rde -- I've been wondering a while if the machinery has been playing to a "Barack Obama = Nicolae Carpathia" equation.  Carpathia is the Antichrist of the Left Behind books.  Carpathia makes no historical sense -- Hitler still remains the best candidate for Antichrist I've ever seen (not that I really even care).  Luckily, the Left Behind books don't even make any sense to most Christians.




Unless you're Catholic, since the Roman Emperor Nero fit the various "clues" most closely, and makes the most sense since he was a contemporary of the writer.
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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2008, 05:02:15 PM »
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Biggest problem I have with the first part of this is that everything is a yes or no answer, as if there is no middle ground or room for compromise.  As someone very cleverly pointed out about gun ownership.  And just from my perspective, who says the federal government needs to concern themselves with every single one of these issues?  Isn't that why we have state governments with their own governors and legislatures?




Spot on, Rover. Several of the "positions" ascribed to Obama are either made up or just plain wrong. Among other things, he supports offshore drilling with state approval.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2008, 06:03:36 PM »
No matter whom wins, there will be ALOT of people who feel like they lost.  There's just too much partisan bickering, and it's going to take more than charisma and leadership to fix this.

I think I've run out of ideas here, good or bad.  Maybe I'm just too tired.
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