[3deroticer]

I just saw a clip of Chuck Norris celebrating his 69 birthday, talking about how he have the right to bear arm and he doesn't hunt. This same man once proclaim that cocaine was a communist conspiracy and failing to note that Oliver North had a smuggling drugs for arm deal for the Contra war. This man also claims he is running for President of Texas when they succeed from the union.

Now I see another interview of Victoria Jackson a former SNL cast proclaiming that Barack Obama wants to be Castro.

I have heard the cold dead hand rhetoric before by the NRA, and Glenn Beck fear mongering scenario of chaos that will never happen.  

In the local paper a Republican made a case to split the Republican party and let the 30% Bush loyalist go on their own way. I honestly agree that they have a better ticket for the next election if they can do that. I do think the majority of people are conservatives but without the religious dogma getting in the way of science and want a do something congress at this juncture of our failing economy.

I think that's about right as there are everywhere the 30% unhinge that are on the verge of breakdown.

Now in this Interview with Chuck Norris and Glen Beck he says that Beck show has extremely high rating because he is the one leader that people like Chuck is looking for the answer. Bill O'Rielly says the same of his own show.

I think it's good that they show themselves like that, because you see in each and everyone of them hold grudges for many years and vehemently denounce another as mortal enemies base on idealology. Whatever the idealology is going to fall in the hands of the majority, and should trust in that.

Star Trek a very popular show and yet it is highly a socialistic govt. There isn't a need to have money, as it is uncommon to have currency. I would want my health care to run like the US post office, so call me a commie if you want.

[Dearc]

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Hugeboobfan said:
Why have background checks?  The 2nd Amendment says nothing about background checks.  It states that the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Background checks allow the government to arbitrarily decide which citizens should be allowed to keep and bear arms.  Doesn't that sound like an infringement on our constitutional rights?

If you are ok with background checks, then you are ok with restrictions on gun ownership.  Why do you need an assault rifle, be it semi-automatic or not?  Why do you need a  handgun?  Wouldn't a hunting rifle suffice?  If your argument is that you need more firepower to combat criminals then perhaps you do need automatic weapons, no?

I find it strange that when you think of offering your services to the community you think of guns.  If that's the way you think of a militia, why not have the sheriff hand you a gun when you show up?  But I guess that's a typical right-wing conservative: the only freedom you're really concerned about is the right to own guns.

Hi Hugeboobfan.  Thanks for replying to my post in a polite, concise manner.  I was expecting a lambasting and scathing post bordering on rage.

Background checks?  Well, I personally don't care for them, but it's a concession I'm willing to make to make legal gun ownership easier for law abiding citizens, while at the same time preventing firearms from being in the hands of a convicted felon (let's not debate what's a threatening crime; I'm talking about violent offenders, not white-collar crimes).

And you're right.  Citizens don't need guns to help the community in times of normal life.  I was hoping to refer to times of distress.  Of course, standing around with guns all day, and not filling sandbags, or handing out food, water & blankets isn't the idea, either.  I hope the idea is catching on.

I'm not a conservative, either.  In 2003-2005, I was actually concerned for my well being because I'm an atheist.  I feel like I'm caught in the middle of this widening gap between neo-conservatives marching to "Onward Christian Soldier!" and beating down my door with prostelyzers and faith-based initiatives VS. neo-leftist fascists and their goose-stepping march toward Utopia.  THAT is why I'm arming myself.  I'm no gun-crazy nut-job, but if we can't own guns, what else can they take away?

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3deroticer said:
I just saw a clip of Chuck Norris celebrating his 69 birthday, talking about how he have the right to bear arm and he doesn't hunt. This same man once proclaim that cocaine was a communist conspiracy and failing to note that Oliver North had a smuggling drugs for arm deal for the Contra war. This man also claims he is running for President of Texas when they succeed from the union.

I have heard the cold dead hand rhetoric before by the NRA, and Glenn Beck fear mongering scenario of chaos that will never happen.  

Now in this Interview with Chuck Norris and Glen Beck he says that Beck show has extremely high rating because he is the one leader that people like Chuck is looking for the answer. Bill O'Rielly says the same of his own show.

Star Trek a very popular show and yet it is highly a socialistic govt. There isn't a need to have money, as it is uncommon to have currency. I would want my health care to run like the US post office, so call me a commie if you want.

I think Chuck Norris & Glenn Beck have good intentions, but I'm nowhere near in the same camp as they are.

Star Trek? lol   I would love to have free or near-free medical care like they do, but paying for it enmasse via taxes is what I'm worried about.  Let the politicians figure that one out...    It could be worse: the conservatives health care plan was to pray not to get sick.  If you did, it was like Star Trek's Klingons, just let the patient die, in battle hopefully!  

For the record, I'm appalled at the stories of some guy who lost it in Alabama, killing 10 innocent people, then himself.  A similar story in Stuttgart, Germany, ending in 15 dead.  This is what gun ownership is NOT about!

[ROUNDandHEAVY]

I'm not a pacifist, I just get scared when I hear some of the morons in this country talk and then I think of them owning military firepower.

If you think the government is coming to get you, then whats to stop other people who think like you but maybe aren't as smart from appointing themselves guardians of democracy and shhoting people they consider to be traitors? After all, they might be Arabs like Obama....

Not so far fetched you know, mobs form and get ugly fast. If something bad happens and the good [censored] in our national guard need to come in and seperate a mob, it would be nice to know that they don't have to walk into one armed with assault rifles.

Bottom line: citizens don't need military weapons, only the military does, and if your governmet has become so corrupted as to round up innocent civilians, which is what you really fear, then you bought this situation by your inaction and or your support of corrupt leaders, both of which have let this country go to hell.

Stop watching Red Dawn, it was just a movie. You are not a closet commando. If the shit hits the fan your assault rifle will simply be pried out of your cold dead hands and added to the enemy arsenal or melted down for bullets by the government.

In the meantime its only function will be to strafe your neighborhood.

[Hugeboobfan]

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Dearc said:
Background checks?  Well, I personally don't care for them, but it's a concession I'm willing to make to make legal gun ownership easier for law abiding citizens, while at the same time preventing firearms from being in the hands of a convicted felon (let's not debate what's a threatening crime; I'm talking about violent offenders, not white-collar crimes).

What if the "violent offender" was just trying to fight against the oppressive "liberal" government?  If I understand the reasons behind your support of citizen gun ownership, then that seems like exactly the situation you would want to avoid.  After all, it's the government who determines who is and who isn't a law-abiding citizen.

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And you're right.  Citizens don't need guns to help the community in times of normal life.  I was hoping to refer to times of distress.  Of course, standing around with guns all day, and not filling sandbags, or handing out food, water & blankets isn't the idea, either.  I hope the idea is catching on.

That's great, although I still don't understand why everyone having a gun in a time of distress is a plus.  Or why the volunteer "militia" could not just be armed in a time of distress by the local authorities.

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I'm not a conservative, either.  In 2003-2005, I was actually concerned for my well being because I'm an atheist.  I feel like I'm caught in the middle of this widening gap between neo-conservatives marching to "Onward Christian Soldier!" and beating down my door with prostelyzers and faith-based initiatives VS. neo-leftist fascists and their goose-stepping march toward Utopia.  THAT is why I'm arming myself.  I'm no gun-crazy nut-job, but if we can't own guns, what else can they take away?

How does owning guns prevent the government from taking away anything?  The government can strip away each and every one of your other constitutional rights even while you have a huge stockpile of arms in your house.  This was aptly demonstrated during the last administration, when the government intentionally tried to limit your rights with respect to the first, fourth, and sixth amendments (free speech zones, warrantless wiretapping, detention of unlawful combatants).  How does owning guns help stop government encroachment on your rights or possessions?

Or to put it another way, can you think of a scenario where owning a gun would help in any way to prevent the government from taking something from you?

[Dearc]

It's not about wether or not we should, or why/why not, etc. I truly believe it's because I can.

And no, I don't need a semi-automatic assault rifle to guard my home or neighborhood. I want one because I can have one.  I can afford it, responsible to own & maintain, secure it from misuse or theft, etc.  Why would anyone want a luxury car over a compact?  (insert own reason here)

The gov't can certainly take away all the freedoms and rewrite laws to make someone a citizen one day a criminal the next. It's not like millions of people will wake up one day and scream "REVOLUTION!" and fight off their gov't for some inane reason.

In all truth & honesty, I no longer believe the government can protect us anymore. Special interests, corrupt politicians on every level, economic downturns, foreign posturing, less-than reputable status amongst nations, and most certainly, terrorism, etc. have most certainly put this country in a bind. I'm not as optimistic about this country's future as many here are. So I apologize if I appear overwhelmingly cynical, but I can't apologize as to why I feel so.

And no, I wouldn't think "Red Dawn" was the template of how I'd react. I was thinking more of "The Road Warrior."  

[ROUNDandHEAVY]

Raod Warrior!?!?

Clearly I mistook this for a lucid conversation.

[Hugeboobfan]

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Dearc said:
It's not about wether or not we should, or why/why not, etc. I truly believe it's because I can.

Well then I should be able to own a fully automatic machine gun.  Or a grenade launcher.  Because I can.

[Dearc]

Good start!  I'm glad we can finally agree on something.

Of course, grenades are illegal for civilians.  Sorry to dash your hopes.  If by some chance you get some, let me give you some advice:

1.  NEVER pull the pin with your teeth.  It takes over 11 foot lbs. to pull it out of the saftey release.

2.  NEVER let it cook; fuses were made by the cheapest bidder.  Average fuse is 3-5 sec long, but that 2 secs. isn't worth your life.

3.  If you must toss the grenade in a room, throw it at the opposing wall of your intended target.  It'll bounce around the room and make your target(s) either run out, or chase it to retrieve and toss it back.

Ahh, the memories of fresh cordite...

HAPPY HUNTING!

[Hugeboobfan]

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Dearc said:
Good start!  I'm glad we can finally agree on something.

Of course, grenades are illegal for civilians.  Sorry to dash your hopes.  

Do you think I care about silly laws when any day now we're going to be driving around in a nuclear wasteland wearing leather and killing each other for gasoline?

[MunchWolf]

Remember people, once you pull the pin Mr. Grenade is nobody's friend



-Munch "google images to the rescue" Wolf

[BigChestCherisher]

The reality is that Obama isn't mush different than Bush, isn't much different than Clinton, isn't much different than Reagan... or any other President we've had in recent history.  They've all become very homogeneous.  There are very few politicians who speak of truly limited government, property rights, sound money, responsible foreign policy, personal freedom, liberty - the very foundation that once held up our society.  The few who do touch on these issues, don't seem to practice what they preach.  

Republicans don't win elections.  Democrats don't win elections.  Politicians win elections.  Meanwhile, people in the real world need real solutions, not a donkey or an elephant "team mascot" or a clever little red or blue bumper sticker for their car.

On the lighter side of things, here's someone who seems to be swelling with pride in support of her candidate.  He's got a lot of support, even though she has none.  



It's no surprise that a shirt like that could cause a major clench..um..clinching of an ere..um.. election!

[Dearc]

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Hugeboobfan said:
Do you think I care about silly laws when any day now we're going to be driving around in a nuclear wasteland wearing leather and killing each other for gasoline?

LOL!  Good one, that made me laugh...with you, of course!  

I, for one, still have my Army BDU's (battle dress uniforms), both woodland and desert patterns.  I'm not sexy enough to wear leather bottoms in any enviroment, especially in a possible wasteland.  A leather jacket is as far as I'm willing to go.  

[TheZookie007]

Newsarama: "5 Lessons We Hope Obama Learned from Spider-Man"

[Hugeboobfan]

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TheZookie007 said:
Newsarama: "5 Lessons We Hope Obama Learned from Spider-Man"

I hope he doesn't follow #5 too closely: "5. In Order to Get Things Done, Sometimes You Have to Reach Across the (Super Hero) Aisle."

The best way to deal with the current crop of religious right-wing crazies in the government is to try and ignore them.  Capitulating to them will only end in producing watered down useless initiatives.

Part of the reason that G.W. and his congress were so successful at ramming through all sorts of horrendous legislation and policy initiatives was that they never compromised.  That, and the democrats were (are) spineless wimps who backed down at every opportunity.

[TheZookie007]

Yes, and the sad thing about right-wing crazies (actually ANY crazies) is that they fight your arguments by fighting you as a person. Case in point: Meghan McCain vs. Laura Ingraham. I don't agree with everything that comes out of Ms. McCain's mouth, but she has a slamming body; L.I. couldn't argue against what MMc said so she attacks her as being "plus-sized". I'll take a pretty plus-sized girl over a whippet thin snarky bitch any day, that's for sure.