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« Reply #5160 on: May 21, 2016, 03:34:39 PM »
Oh christ, no. If I read evidence that she's what you say she is, I'd look into it with an open mind.

The problem is I've seen nothing of the sort that isn't tied to major media, funded by a non-biased group, or a website that has "freedom" or "liberty" in its address.

Let's see if we can make some progress here.

This is a good place to start. Who is she serving?

Here is a nice run down of things.

Video showcasing her criminal ways

Another interesting piece.

Also, you can google Bill Clinton's connection to "Jeffrey Epstein."
Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5161 on: May 22, 2016, 02:25:31 PM »
One, vaccines help and you're blind if you don't see that. Ignoring vaccination is being deliberately ignorant. THAT'S harmful.

Two, everything you've "pointed out" are uncorroborated BS talking points spewed forth by the Right and 'Liability'tarians. Try backing up your statements with facts (from UNBIASED sources).

Hillary Clinton is a fantastic leader and I, along with most of the people I know, will proudly vote for her if she wins the democratic nomination. Not purely to stop the Don from winning but also because she's a damn fine American.

I had a debate with my middle sister about her not vaccinating her daughters and how I was effected because the German measle I was expose to during gestation period and leaving me deaf, and so I look up what other damages that the german measles can cause, and saw that 50-70% chance of deform vascular system, which is mighty high and had my cardiologist take a look, and they did find issues, and I had to get a stent put in a year ago. The left side of my heart vascular system didn't fully grow, been pinch most of my life. My heart rate recovery is very good now. My chronic cough is gone and I can **82** on my backs without choking. If I had have that debate, I would not have bother to look up more fact that I was not even aware of.
"Yesterday, Reince Priebus called this whole story a 'nothing burger,'" he said. "Well these emails have turned it into an all-you-can-prosecute buffet."

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« Reply #5162 on: May 22, 2016, 02:50:10 PM »
What I want is for the best candidate to beat the Republicans to emerge from the Democratic side. Unfortunately, Hillary and her minions are behaving in a very un-democratic way in order to get what they want. That is unconscionable.

I'm all about Bernie Sanders. If the PTB at the DNC had any sense, they wouldn't get in the way of him winning since in the general he'd beat the Republican candidate by 38 points. If Hillary wins the nomination fair and square, fine. But thus far, she's NOT winning it "fair and square". It's when Hillary & co. pull stunts like this that really makes my blood boil...


When Hillary Clinton was ask if Bernie Sanders success in rising support if she would be incline to lean to the left more to socialism, and she laugh and said she doesn't need to that she'll pick up more disgruntle Republican for the vote. That's seem to be the sentiment of the Hillary supporter to not even be interested in unity in the democratic party but to transform it to the Clintonism party. Honestly I think the Democratic party been taken over by the "Coservative Democrats" now called " Blue Dog Party" that supported Clinton and Obama, and it's the main party that corporation have supported.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-leaving-democratic-party-article-1.2644307

Nice article that define it really well. Hillary may not have broken any laws, but she is part of the establishment. Pharma corporation are spending heavily on her, because if anyone else gets in office they will lose more then they would with Hillary. Hillary tried to tackle health care and failed, but because "I think" she  hampered any attempt toward single payer plan. She does have stock in both Pharma and Banks, and its not a accident that Howard Dean who is now lobbying for Pharma is a big supporter of Hillary and same for Barney Frank, who is a chairman of the banking industry.
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"Yesterday, Reince Priebus called this whole story a 'nothing burger,'" he said. "Well these emails have turned it into an all-you-can-prosecute buffet."

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« Reply #5163 on: May 22, 2016, 03:03:46 PM »
All of those links you posted really reek of bias. That's the problem I have.

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« Reply #5164 on: May 22, 2016, 07:11:11 PM »
All of those links you posted really reek of bias. That's the problem I have.

The thing is, if you post links telling me how great she is, those links will reek of bias as well. How was that email talking about Syria showing bias? The links had facts and multiple links as sources. It just seems like you were easily dismissive and did not bother to even read any information in those links I provided.

If you say you aren't a blind follower and would not defend and justify everything she does that is questionable, how would you defend these foreign policies?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clintons-six-foreign-policy-catastrophes.html

(There are links throughout this piece)
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Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5165 on: May 22, 2016, 11:31:34 PM »
I extensively read all the links you posted, and looked around each site for other articles to see what their slant/s were.

Haven't read the one you just posted. Will do tomorrow (it's late now).

You're right though, it's nigh impossible to escape bias when it comes to things like politics.

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« Reply #5166 on: May 24, 2016, 02:30:30 AM »
Uh oh. Now this is a cause for concern IMO.

Donald Trump meets with Henry Kissinger
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« Reply #5167 on: May 27, 2016, 02:02:59 PM »
Uh oh. Now this is a cause for concern IMO.

Donald Trump meets with Henry Kissinger


Anyone of any stripe meeting with Dr. Strangelove* is a cause for concern.





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The character is an amalgamation of RAND Corporation strategist Herman Kahn, mathematician and Manhattan Project principal John von Neumann, rocket scientist Wernher von Braun (a central figure in Nazi Germany's rocket development program recruited to the US after the war), and Edward Teller, the "father of the hydrogen bomb."There is a common misconception that the character was based on Henry Kissinger, but [Stanley Kubrick] and [Peter Sellers] denied this; Sellers said, "Strangelove was never modeled after Kissinger—that's a popular misconception. It was always Wernher Von Braun."
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AOC, HC, TW, BO, KH: FU. FUATH. 100x.

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« Reply #5168 on: May 27, 2016, 08:41:45 PM »
Meanwhile, Drumpf and the Repugs keep fumbling and bumbling along.

Handed an opening on a silver platter to go after Clinton (the State Dept. IG report on that department's chronic and system-wide bungling of computer security procedures), instead there's chaos and confusion in the Trump campaign.

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Donald Trump’s Campaign Stumbles as It Tries to Go Big
The New York Times
By ASHLEY PARKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN

This week, Mr. Trump fired Rick Wiley, his national political director, after Mr. Wiley clashed with campaign officials in three states.

A sense of paranoia is growing among his campaign staff members, including some who have told associates they believe that their Trump Tower offices in New York may be bugged, according to three people briefed on the conversations.

Asked for comment about his management style, and the current state of his campaign, Mr. Trump declined, criticizing the reporters writing this article. "You two wouldn’t know how to write a good story about me if you tried — dream on," Mr. Trump said in an email relayed by his spokeswoman, Hope Hicks.

The Trump operation, for instance, has talked for weeks about hiring a full-time communications director, but has yet to bring anyone on board. Ms. Hicks is still the sole communications staff member; the Clinton campaign, by contrast, has a press team of more than a dozen, including people devoted solely to the black and Hispanic news media.

Mr. Trump himself has so far proved unable and **86** to rally the entire party around his candidacy. On Tuesday, he deliberately attacked Gov. Susana Martinez of New Mexico — a Hispanic rising star and head of the Republican Governors Association — in her home state, saying she was "not doing the job." And he hit Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee, calling him a "choker" and mocking his gait, saying he walked "like a penguin."

Mr. Trump has also been dismissive of data analytics, suggesting in interviews that his showmanship and rallies will continue to be effective. He has suggested that he will compete in new states, despite the scant resources he has devoted to the traditional Republican map so far. And he has been adamant to aides that he intends to try to compete in New York, which no Republican has captured since Ronald Reagan, and has held discussions about hiring an additional pollster for the state.

So, let's see.....

Inability to hold on to important staff? Check.
Do things that alienate your staff? Check.
Insult the press? Check.
Insult important members of the GOP? Check.
Failure to take the dull details of campaigning seriously? Check.

No matter what you think of the candidates, Clinton knows how to campaign......

 
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« Reply #5169 on: May 28, 2016, 06:35:47 PM »
At this point, the only reason to believe that Drumpf is not a Clinton plant is that even Hillary "Lady MacBeth" Clinton isn't that destructive.
AOC, HC, TW, BO, KH: FU. FUATH. 100x.

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« Reply #5170 on: May 30, 2016, 06:38:15 PM »
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« Reply #5171 on: May 30, 2016, 09:34:18 PM »
There is no movement. It's an illusion that supporting Trump will/has upset "the establishment"
Pfft.

This wave of thinking is going to get that fucker elected, which I admit will be entertaining until he's assassinated.

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« Reply #5172 on: June 01, 2016, 08:47:00 PM »
I'm a scientist. When I see anything regarding the rampant disinformation about GMOs and vaccines, it boils my blood.

Just want to get your thoughts on a few things here. Some of this "disinformation" is actually admitted by the perpetrators (big pharma) themselves.

30 Scientific Studies That Prove Vaccines Cause Autism

Vaccine Maker Admits to Autism

MMR Vaccine Trouble

Vaccine Court Makes Admission

CDC Caught Hiding Data

Good Video that is a must watch by Ben Swann

Also I want to get your thoughts on this image. Anything on here that you think is NOT true?

Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5173 on: June 01, 2016, 09:46:04 PM »
Um.

You are aware that the original paper ("Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children", Wakefield et al, The Lancet, 28 February 1998) suggesting the link between vaccines and autism was not only formally retracted in 2004 for several reasons, including the fact that it looked at a mere 12 ch1ldren (FAR too few for a serious study) and relied heavily on the memories of the parents rather than any real factual evidence, but that Wakefield has his medical license stripped, and that further investigation revealed that the "study" was found to have contained fraudulent data?

And that EVERY. SINGLE. REAL. SCIENTIFIC. STUDY since then has shown NO LINK between vaccines and autism? Yes, I did read that list of "30 Scientific Studies...." And you know what? ONLY ONE OF THEM CONNECTS VACCINES WITH AUTISM - and that one, the first, is a special case - it looked at Hepatitis B vaccinations for newborns, relied on "parental report of autism diagnosis" and not a confirmed medical diagnosis, and it covered the years when the "scare" was at its highest (leading me to suspect that the "parental report of autism diagnosis" was overstated). They refer to the effects of heavy metals and other toxins on neurological development, possible causes for autism, and the like. Not a single one of the rest makes any connection AT ALL - not even a hint of a suggestion of a possible link.

And that although the MMR vaccine had eliminated measles in the US over ten years ago, it's back now because people are not vaccinating their little ones? And measles is one of the deadliest contagious diseases among the young?

Timeline and summary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/autism-vaccine-myth.html
The fraud revealed: http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452
Just one article on the spread of measles: http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/as-measles-spreads-concern-over-unvaccinated-children-does-too/2215771

No, of course not..... Why did I even bother......
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« Reply #5174 on: June 01, 2016, 10:25:15 PM »
Sorry, had to get that out of my system. My scientific background took over.....

Now, back to politics.

Drumpf is at it again, insulting the judge who's handling the fraud case involving Trump "University". Way to go, Donnie boy! Piss of the guy who just might get you indicted before Clinton!

"Trump attacks 'Mexican' judge in Trump U lawsuit" - Politico, 5/28/16

The responses:

"One would think Mr. Trump, whose sister is a federal appellate judge, would know how self-destructive it is for any litigant anywhere to attack the judge hearing his or her case. But Mr. Trump is not any litigant; he is running to be president of the United States — a job that requires at least a glancing understanding of the American system of government, in particular a respect for the separation of powers. When Mr. Trump complains that he is “getting railroaded” by a “rigged” legal system, he is saying in effect that an entire branch of government is corrupt." - NY Times editorial, 5/31/16

"This is vile stuff. Not only is Trump peddling racist conspiracy garbage about a federal judge (Curiel was born and raised in Indiana), Trump is using the bully pulpit to try to intimidate the courts to rule in his favor. Just imagine, Trump effectively warned Judge Curiel, what will happen to you if you rule against me after I'm elected president." Reason.com, 5/31/16

"Of course, as a private citizen, Trump has the right to criticize any judge or court decision, including one where the candidate himself is one of the parties. But Trump’s complaints are more revealing even than the decisions that irk him. Trump has no apparent philosophy of how judges make decisions; he doesn’t even attempt something as simple, and revealing, as George W. Bush’s antipathy for judges who “legislate from the bench.” For Trump, rather, judging is all personal, at least as far as he is concerned. He has no discernible views on judges except about whether they agree with him, case by case. As illustrated by his attacks on Judge Curiel, Trump’s style is bigoted name-calling, not reasoned critique. That’s his pattern—and not just about judges." - The New Yorker, 5/31/16

"Mr. Trump demonstrated the same disrespect for constitutional norms when he attacked a federal judge over the weekend. He called Judge Gonzalo Curiel “a hater.” He labeled the Indiana-born jurist a “Mexican,” once again proving an ability to offend and prevaricate simultaneously. If he is willing now to bully a judge overseeing a case involving his business, what respect for the separation of powers can we expect if he is president?" - Washington Post, 5/31/16

"The fact of the matter is, Donald Trump -- you know why these documents are public? Because Donald Trump has done nothing but beat the living daylights out of this judge. And the more he's done that, the more the judge has basically said, ‘Hey our credibility has been called into question. We got to put everything out here.’ So it is a reminder, is this the way he would govern? Is this how he would act in office? Any critic, any critic from the judiciary branch, another branch of government, right? This is something minor in his own office. If he did this while in office, it could trigger a constitutional crisis. So it is truly borderline irresponsible behavior, on that front." - Chuck Todd, NBC, 6/1/16

And one more thing..... Those $650,000 speeches Clinton gave to Goldman Sachs as a private citizen, which supposedly made her their puppet? Donald Trump has at least $100 million in outstanding loans from Deutsche Bank, which not too long ago had to cough up over $2 billion in fines after it got caught rigging interest rates. They also tried - and failed - to get around the Dodd-Frank regulations that were put in place in 2010 to get the big banks to play safe and not cause another financial collapse.

Conflict of interest, anyone?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/trump-german-loan-deutsche-bank
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