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« Reply #5970 on: June 12, 2017, 01:19:37 PM »
Ah it is good news. Trumpel is now officially a defendant about corruption in terms of Emoluments clause. Finally the swamp is going to be dried out and cleaned up!
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« Reply #5971 on: June 12, 2017, 04:02:47 PM »
Ah it is good news. Trumpel is now officially a defendant about corruption in terms of Emoluments clause. Finally the swamp is going to be dried out and cleaned up!

Hard to drain a swamp when you're a swamp monster, your friends are all swamp monsters, and you own a swamp making company ;)
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« Reply #5972 on: June 12, 2017, 05:44:13 PM »
Ah it is good news. Trumpel is now officially a defendant about corruption in terms of Emoluments clause. Finally the swamp is going to be dried out and cleaned up!

Hard to drain a swamp when you're a swamp monster, your friends are all swamp monsters, and you own a swamp making company ;)

You mean the "Swamp Thing"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamp_Thing_(film)

Oh wait that was the funny politics thread for such an answer ...
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« Reply #5973 on: June 12, 2017, 07:28:35 PM »
Ah it is good news. Trumpel is now officially a defendant about corruption in terms of Emoluments clause. Finally the swamp is going to be dried out and cleaned up!

The reasoning given in the lawsuit (The District of Columbia and The State of Maryland v. Donald J. Trump - see the attached copy) is worth reading:

"The Emoluments Clauses are two critical, closely related anticorruption provisions aimed at ensuring that the President faithfully serves the peoþle, free from the distorting or compromising eflects of financial inducements provided by foreign nations, their leaders, individual states in the Union, Congress, or other parts of the federal government. They ensure that Americans do not have to guess whether a President who orders their sons and daughters to die in foreign lands acts out of concern for his private business interests; they do not have to wonder if they lost their job due to trade negotiations in which the President has a personal stake; and they never have to question whether the President can sit across the bargaining table from foreign leaders and faithfully represent the world's most powerful democracy, unencumbered by fear of harming his own companies."

(emphasis mine)

In other legal matters for the White House, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals refused to release the block on Trump's travel ban. However, they did state that the White House could go full speed ahead on a review of the vetting procedures. You know, the reason Trump gave for wanting to put the ban in place? So they could "figure out what was going on"? Well, we'll find out just how serious he was about that justification.... Because if he *doesn't* start the review, it's pretty clear that he was lying....

Meanwhile, El Presidente just had a jaw-droppingly appalling cabinet meeting, where every cabinet member pretty much said that "Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life." I haven't seen any of the video reporting; I don't want to have to clean up barf. You can get the gist of it from Sen. Chuck Schumer's (D-NY) parody:

http://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/874327317748883456
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« Reply #5974 on: June 13, 2017, 02:13:55 AM »

Meanwhile, El Presidente just had a jaw-droppingly appalling cabinet meeting, where every cabinet member pretty much said that "Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life." I haven't seen any of the video reporting; I don't want to have to clean up barf. You can get the gist of it from Sen. Chuck Schumer's (D-NY) parody:

http://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/874327317748883456

Where's the problem similar behaviour of the administrative staff you see in Russia, Venezuela and especially in North Korea. I think North Korea is the best comparison.
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« Reply #5975 on: June 13, 2017, 11:25:45 AM »
And now, a word from an actual Republican (via Twitter)...


Rick Wilson
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GOP Media Guy, Dad, Husband, Pilot, Hunter, Writer. I make ads and do politics. Columnist for the Daily Beast. Enemy of the State. Never out of the fight.


1/ Fire Mueller. Do it. Fire Mueller.

Do it, because it's time for the final divorce between the clickservatives and any pretense they....

2/ ...believe in the rule of law. Let's just *get it the fuck ON* and end this shabby pretense that we still live in a nation of laws.

3/ So clickservatives, Trump fellators, fanboys, grunting MAGA mouthbreathers, SING OUT now.

4/ I really want to know. Is there anything he can do that strikes your conscience? Is there any sin, any excess, any affront?

5/No? GOOD. That makes it easy for all of us.

6/ Just go ALL IN. Get a TRUMP logo tramp stamp. Name your kids after him. Pledge fealty for you and all the generations of your offspring.

7/ Stop pussyfooting around the edges. Come right out and say it; all you care about is that he pisses off people you hate.

8/ So come on...Pledge loyalty and obedience to Trump, not America or the Constitution. You're already SO CLOSE.

9/ Call for Mueller to be fired, Comey to be imprisoned, Wilson to be eaten by wild dogs.

10/ You're already filled with atavistic lust for the purge, the long knives, the broken glass, the whiff of grapeshot.

11/ You excuse EVERYTHING because duh librul media or whatever bullshit fantasy you believe he fulfills. Go all the way!

12/ So, let's just have the supine, ten-dollar-hoöker clickservatives write a million "But Comey" gruntpieces for a little fig leaf.

13/ So you can pretend there's a reason for letting Trump's utterly obvious corruption slide, not just an excuse.

14/ So fire Mueller. Call for it. Be on the record. While you're at it, call for permanent immunity for Trump for all crimes.

15/ Why not? He'll piss off the media, and that's worth everything, right? What's a little authoritarianism in exchange?

16/ Ohhhh, I know. You're SO MAD someone in the media or culture doesn't agree with Esoteric Trumpism in every detail.

17/ Is Trump honest? Is he a conservative? Is he a Constitutionalist? Does he believe in the rule of law?

Who cares? He makes duh rawr.

18/ Embrace his utter fucking degeneracy and third-world generalissimo act. It's the new you! Ride with it!

19/ Trump juche is real conservatism. It's the real path for the GOP. Forget laws and principles, and just vow eternal loyalty.

20/ So fire Mueller. Call for it. Be on the record. Let's just get it done, because I'm sure you're tired of all these petty laws...

21/ ...and norms and guardrails that stop Kim Jong Don from truly Making the Democratic Peoples Republic of Trumperica Great Again.

22/ Teach your kids that the laws are for people other than the President. That Donald Trump was rid of those troublesome priests.

23/ Embrace unlimited state power, the end of legal accountability, and the ruthless will to power was the only metric of leadership.

24/ What could possibly go wrong?

25/ So endeth.
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« Reply #5976 on: June 13, 2017, 03:32:29 PM »
So does everyone here want globalism?
Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5977 on: June 13, 2017, 04:04:12 PM »
Im sure the left love this:
A recent depiction of an assassination of the president was displayed on stage in New Yorks broadway.

"When they go low, we go high!" - the left.

Yeah, clearly.
Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5978 on: June 13, 2017, 04:14:53 PM »
When Preet Bharara served as US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, his main focus was on prosecuting financial crimes such as money laundering, fraud, insider trading, and public corruption. He and his team helped bring down Bernie Madoff. They brought down Sheldon Silver (ex-Speaker of the New York State Assembly). They brought down Dean Skelos (ex-Majority Leader of the New York State Senate). So, more than most people, when he says what he says, he knows what he's talking about.

New York Post: "Bharara: There’s ‘absolutely evidence’ to start obstruction case against Trump"
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Former Manhattan US Attorney Preet Bharara said on Sunday that “absolutely evidence” exists to launch an obstruction of justice case against President Trump.

“I think there’s absolutely evidence to begin a case – I think it’s very important for all sorts of armchair speculators in the law, to be clear that no one knows right now whether there is a provable case of obstruction,” Bharara said on ABC’s “This Week.” “It’s also true … that there’s no basis to say there’s no obstruction.”

Bharara, who was fired by Trump in March, pointed out that former FBI Director James Comey testified under oath at a Senate panel hearing last Thursday that the president cleared the Oval Office of Vice President Pence and Attorney General Jeff Sessions so he could talk one-on-one with Comey.

In his testimony, Comey said Trump asked him to discontinue the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

“Whether or not that is impeachable or that’s indictable, that’s a very serious thing and I’m not sure that people fully get that the standard is not just whether something is a crime or not,” said Bharara, who live tweeted Comey’s appearance last week before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

“Whether or not it can be charged as a crime or Congress will impeach, it is a very serious thing,” he added.

He also said the idea that the president tried to sway a law enforcement official to drop an investigation is troubling.

“That’s an incredibly serious thing if people think that the president of the United States can tell heads of law enforcement agencies, based on his own whim or his own personal preferences or friendships, that they should or should not pursue particular criminal cases against individuals,” he said. “That’s not how America works.”

Trump fired Flynn in February after it was revealed he had contact with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the campaign and hid the communications from White House officials.

AOC, HC, TW, BO, KH: FU. FUATH. 100x.

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« Reply #5979 on: June 13, 2017, 04:19:41 PM »
Im sure the left love this:
A recent depiction of an assassination of the president was displayed on stage in New Yorks broadway.

"When they go low, we go high!" - the left.

Yeah, clearly.

What a scandal! Really a scandal!!!!!!!!!!!! such a Scandal!!!!!!!
There are even movies and block busters where presidents got shot down or otherwiese killed!

Scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #5980 on: June 13, 2017, 04:35:55 PM »
Just checked Wikipedia ... Assasinations or attempts seem pretty often occur.
And in the younger history (maybe due to easy access to documents and media coverage) was a larger number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
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« Reply #5981 on: June 13, 2017, 04:43:38 PM »
Im sure the left love this:
A recent depiction of an assassination of the president was displayed on stage in New Yorks broadway.

"When they go low, we go high!" - the left.

Yeah, clearly.

What a scandal! Really a scandal!!!!!!!!!!!! such a Scandal!!!!!!!
There are even movies and block busters where presidents got shot down or otherwiese killed!

Scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seem to be missing the point. Sponsors have pulled out for a reason. Its pretty much normalizing and promoting the assassination of the CURRENT president.

Comparing that film is not accurate.

And it completely goes against the notion of "when they go low, we go high" or does it not?
Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5982 on: June 13, 2017, 07:19:54 PM »
Im sure the left love this:
A recent depiction of an assassination of the president was displayed on stage in New Yorks broadway.

"When they go low, we go high!" - the left.

Yeah, clearly.

What a scandal! Really a scandal!!!!!!!!!!!! such a Scandal!!!!!!!
There are even movies and block busters where presidents got shot down or otherwiese killed!

Scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seem to be missing the point. Sponsors have pulled out for a reason. Its pretty much normalizing and promoting the assassination of the CURRENT president.

Comparing that film is not accurate.

And it completely goes against the notion of "when they go low, we go high" or does it not?

Back in 2012 Minneapolis' Guthrie Theater performed Julius Caesar with featuring Obama. Where was the outrage then? It was definitely not a major news story.

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« Reply #5983 on: June 13, 2017, 07:39:36 PM »
Im sure the left love this:
A recent depiction of an assassination of the president was displayed on stage in New Yorks broadway.

"When they go low, we go high!" - the left.

Yeah, clearly.

What a scandal! Really a scandal!!!!!!!!!!!! such a Scandal!!!!!!!
There are even movies and block busters where presidents got shot down or otherwiese killed!

Scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seem to be missing the point. Sponsors have pulled out for a reason. Its pretty much normalizing and promoting the assassination of the CURRENT president.

Comparing that film is not accurate.

And it completely goes against the notion of "when they go low, we go high" or does it not?

Back in 2012 Minneapolis' Guthrie Theater performed Julius Caesar with featuring Obama. Where was the outrage then? It was definitely not a major news story.

I was not aware of this. Thank you for posting this. These kinds of things shouldnt be promoted the way they are. Both are equally as wrong IMO.

Thanks for letting me know.
Imagine if Obama, Kamala, or Biden survived two assassination attempts and the media not publicly destroying the reputation of everyone who issued even the most mild criticism of them and then just dropping the story completely.

Yeah, I cannot either.

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« Reply #5984 on: June 13, 2017, 09:51:34 PM »
Julius Caesar, right? The classic Shakespearean play that's not about killing your leader, but about how it's bad to try to stop approaching tyranny by violent acts? The half of the play after the assassination that deals with the infighting between the conspirators that leads to a civil war in which tens of thousands are killed?

In an interview with Business Insider on Monday, University of Notre Dame Shakespeare Studies chairman Peter Holland pointed out that in the play, Brutus and Cassius' decision to kill Caesar and restore democratic rule backfires spectacularly, suggesting Shakespeare wanted the audience to agree that this decision was the wrong course of action.

"What's the result?" Holland said. "Chaos, civil war, a battle at the end of the play [in] which Brutus and Cassius both die, which we know was a huge bloodbath, 20,000 people died on the battlefield. And there's nothing in this that says 'Oh, you just get rid of your aspirant dictator and everything is going to be fine.' It says exactly the opposite. What you get is the dissolution of the state, and it leads directly to the creation of Roman emperors."

Holland suggested that this interpretation — a basic reading taught in high schools — was almost universally agreed upon among academics who study Shakespeare.

"I've never seen any academic writing about the play anyway that suggests that assassinating Julius Caesar is a good idea," the Notre Dame professor said. "I don't mean it isn't out there, but nothing I've ever read. And I've read a hell of a lot."

You know what everyone should REALLY be worried about? This:

Russian Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known
by Michael Riley and Jordan Robertson
Bloomberg News, June 13, 2017, 5:00 AM EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

"In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said."

"Such operations need not change votes to be effective. In fact, the Obama administration believed that the Russians were possibly preparing to delete voter registration information or slow vote tallying in order to undermine confidence in the election. That effort went far beyond the carefully timed release of private communications by individuals and parties."

"One former senior U.S. official expressed concern that the Russians now have three years to build on their knowledge of U.S. voting systems before the next presidential election, and there is every reason to believe they will use what they have learned in future attacks."

This is the sort of thing that should keep all Americans up at night. Because you don't need to change a single vote in order to undermine our confidence in the election process.
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