[TheZookie007]

Yeah, wasn't it Teddy R. who said that you have to speak softly yet carry a big stick? He could use that stick to beat some sense into these so-called Republicans.

[PregNut]

That's why Rush calls them RINOs.

[DruulEmpire]

I'd feel a little better if Barry Goldwater was around to call them RINOs.

[notty]

RINOs aren't the problem. Rush Limbaugh is the problem. He's a thousand pounds of shit stuffed into a 300 pound sack.

[TheZookie007]

That's where you are wrong, notty. He's a full English ton of shit stuffed into a 300 pound sack.

[TheZookie007]

Good "news": "'President' replaces N-word"

Bad news:

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AlterNet: "NY Post Cartoonist Under Fire for Racist Cartoon"

Talk about seriously offensive: Today, the NY Post published a cartoon by Sean Delonas showing two police officers shooting a chimpanzee, in a reference to the recent incident in Connecticut where a pet chimp attacked a woman. In this cartoon, however, one of the policemen says, "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill":



In a statement, the Rev. Al Sharpton questions the racism that appears to be in Delonas's cartoon:

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The cartoon in today's New York Post is troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys. One has to question whether the cartoonist is making a less than casual reference to this when in the cartoon they have police saying after shooting a chimpanzee that "Now they will have to find someone else to write the stimulus bill."

    Being that the stimulus bill has been the first legislative victory of President Barack Obama (the first African American president) and has become synonymous with him it is not a reach to wonder are they inferring that a monkey wrote the last bill?

[notty]

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TheZookie007 said:
That's where you are wrong, notty. He's a full English ton of shit stuffed into a 300 pound sack.

True, but my version is more lyrical. That's the key to a good insult.

[Djoser]

We are all apes, don't we?

[ROUNDandHEAVY]

I laugh at my fellow white folks when they act confused at the anger of blacks. Some of us just can never understand what it means to be hyphenated, to have your very existence preceded by a set of coded, subconscious prejudices.

I know this one dude who has many black friends, he is respectful of people based on their personal merits, and yet he uses the word niger and justifies it by saying there is a difference between a self respecting black man and a niger.

I think Holder was partially right, we as a nation tend to socially self sgregate ourselves. But this is only partially cowardice, there is also a myopic component where we allow a certain ignorance about each other, a vacuum of reality where my friend can make the distinction between good and bad black people and use the worst racial epithet and not understand why it is wrong, or the NY Post can use the monkey metaphor and kid themselves that they are not exhibiting racism.

[pedonbio]

Americans are probably no worse than others who live in a continent-sized country, but I am always disappointed when someone asks in all seriousness, "Why do they hate us?" The recently departed attorney general talked in an interview how he was shocked at all the "threats" to our security when he was first briefed.

We are hated from the outside because it is damnned hard to see any behavioral difference between us and every other oversized, myopic conqueror. And I've given up expecting my fellow white Americans to even understand the idea of white privilege.

On the other hand, I have to admit that the most racist, homophobic person I know is a Ukrainian immigrant.

[TheZookie007]

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ROUNDandHEAVY: I laugh at my fellow white folks when they act confused at the anger of blacks...

I think Holder was partially right, we as a nation tend to socially self sgregate ourselves. But this is only partially cowardice, there is also a myopic component where we allow a certain ignorance about each other, a vacuum of reality where my friend can make the distinction between good and bad black people and use the worst racial epithet and not understand why it is wrong, or the NY Post can use the monkey metaphor and kid themselves that they are not exhibiting racism.

I first saw this story on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, where he had a 3-man panel, David Gergen, Roland Martin and some cross-eyed black guy. Gergen, a white southerner who worked in Republican and Democratic White Houses, condemned the Post cartoon as out-and-out racist, as did Martin, a black commentator for CNN and ESSENCE Magazine columnist. But the cross-eyed black dude in the middle was like, "Why do people always try and cry racism? This was clearly a parody..." When a WHITE GUY says something is racist and is rolling his eyes at a BLACK GUY who claims that something isn't racist, well, you know that is something new. I was wondering what was wrong with Mr. Cross-Eye, until I read the caption: he was a big shot in the G.W. Bush administration.

Granted, there is a faint possibility that the cartoon was trying to make the point that the stimulus package was so ineptly written that it must have been done by a monkey, but, realistically, even Stevie Wonder could see what Mr. Cross-Eye deliberately was not seeing: that cartoon was as racist as racist could be. But then, the owner of the Post is the same dude who owns Fox News Channel, so why should I be surprised?

[midsize]

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TheZookie007 said:
Granted, there is a faint possibility that the cartoon was trying to make the point that the stimulus package was so ineptly written that it must have been done by a monkey

Unless Delonas is a shill for the KKK and has been paid enough to no longer need his job as a cartoonist, I'd venture to say that is exactly the point of the cartoon. Hence Mr. Cross-eye's comment.

[TheZookie007]

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me: Granted, there is a faint possibility that the cartoon was trying to make the point that the stimulus package was so ineptly written that it must have been done by a monkey...

midsize: Unless Delonas is a shill for the KKK and has been paid enough to no longer need his job as a cartoonist, I'd venture to say that is exactly the point of the cartoon. Hence Mr. Cross-eye's comment.

Mr. Delonas has in the past been referred to as "a Picasso of bigotry". And his and his employer's obvious defiance in the face of the protests against this cartoon prove the point. There are other ways he could have illustrated that concept without going to such a racially-charged one. I mean, come on, everyone who has an even glancing acquaintance with America's racial history knows that one of the favorite epithets flung at black people is "Alabama porch monkey", so it's glaringly obvious that Delonas was alluding to that here.

[midsize]

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TheZookie007 said:

Mr. Delonas has in the past been referred to as "a Picasso of bigotry". --By whom?

 And his and his employer's obvious defiance in the face of the protests against this cartoon prove the point. --As does the defiance of western newspapers in the face of riots over cartoons depicting Mohammed.

 There are other ways he could have illustrated that concept... --There were other ways Obama could have illustrated his 'lipstick on a pig' concept, but he chose that one.



Zookie, I'm not trying to apologize for this cartoon or for racism, but this is a storm of outrage over something that's 'obviously racist' only to someone who wants it to be. If you want to see what it looks like when the President is compared to a chimpanzee, remember BushChimp.org?

[Q_BE]

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midsize said:
Zookie, I'm not trying to apologize for this cartoon or for racism, but this is a storm of outrage over something that's 'obviously racist' only to someone who wants it to be. If you want to see what it looks like when the President is compared to a chimpanzee, remember BushChimp.org?

Thank goodness somebody is here to talk sense. I find it highly hypocritical that liberals could purposely misconstrue a comic as being racist, when in fact President Bush's comparisons to monkeys were much more vitriolic and vociferous than anything this comic "portrays" to those who chose to see that "portrayal".

Realize this: it's time to let bygones be bygones. No sensible person on this planet continues to compare blacks to monkeys, and certainly not newspaper editorial boards. By the way, aren't newspapers guilty of a heavy liberal bias? I don't see the Post being held up as a bastion of conservatism as a newspaper.

Beyond that, I would think that the greatest outrage wouldn't be over the fact that "supposedly" the President is compared to a "monkey", but that the police shot and killed the monkey, which, continuing ad absurdum, could be construed as somebody wishing the President were assassinated, and more than that, by the police, a faux "reference" to the race riots of the 1960s.

If the above paragraph describes your point of view, I commit you to irrelevancy and insanity, because it takes quite a twisted mind to derive all that from the cartoon in question.

What I mean by that is how can people be outraged that the current President is compared to a monkey, when he didn't even write the bill--Pelosi and the Congressional Democrats did, and not be outraged that leftists made no secret of their desire to see President Bush killed--Death of a President.

To me, there is no comparison. The comic simply combines two recent news stories to show that people without sense in Congress are making legislation that is ultimately harmful to the country--but because of the loud moaning and catcalls by a leftist few, the message that we need to do what is best for the country is drowned out.

Anybody who is offended by this comic should be equally or more offended by those who chose to "fake-murder" the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush...but I suppose that would be a bridge too far...

Q-"I'll show you a monkey"-BE