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Palomine

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #450 on: September 19, 2003, 07:37:30 PM »
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Right, but that's what the UG Forum is supposed to be for.  I understand that the forum eliminates the UG restictions on posting limits, picture size and uptime, but these are artificial limits which have been imposed deliberately.  If they aren't wanted, it would be better to just lift them altogether, rather than **77** people to use a backdoor work-around.  




The "artificial" limits you refer to ARE deliberate... the owner/administrator of this site (the moderators are neither BTW) choose to allocate certain quantities of bandwidth/storage/access to specific areas of the site intentionally. This is done to keep the site viable financially, and of course to differentiate non-member access from paying member access. No one is "forced" to use a workaround... in fact, excessive use of such workarounds will no doubt result in additional restrictions/rules/enforcement, as those backdoor activities impact the very aspects of this site that the policies were intended to preserve. So, as a matter of courtesy, it's probably NOT a good idea to post dozens of pix to a forum thread just to simply be able to do so... as most have said above... doing so seems somewhat unkosher from a fairness POV (especially in the case of Nadine, who's fine site is available at such a reasonable price) and more to the point, repeated posts that utilize these forums as gallery space have a negative impact the the BEA as a whole, resource-wise.

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On the other hand, I have to agree with what you're saying about posting whole picture sets.  Basically, any copyrighted picture post comes down to fair use.  Regardless of the total Score ban here, posting a single Score pic, especially for the purpose of identifying someone or illustrating a point ("look at how much weight Kelly has gained...") is probably a fair use.  Posting a whole set clearly is not.  This applies just as much to Nadine's, Keisha's or Christina's pictures as it does to Score ones.
     




Your use of the word "regardless" is of concern to me: the BEA site-wide prohibition of any content owned by Score or it's subsidiaries ISN'T a suggestion or guideline... it is a site-wide policy that is enforced with vigor as it behooves us to do so. You CAN NOT post even a single Score pic to offer a heads-up, or comment on a model, etc.... with the exceptions of morphs, which are presently considered to fall into the category of parody.

Everyone interested in seeing the BEA continue to be available should promptly read the site posts rules at the top of this and the UG forums. Not being aware of the policies IS NOT an acceptable reason for violating them. Remember, we're just trying to keep from being sued here for crissakes!


To comment on another comment above: the fact that a prohibited picture arrived here via some source other than directly from it's orginator is MOOT! Copyright is not diluted by the path the content took to get here, nor is the liability issue to the owner of this site reduced as a result of a lengthy 'trip.' No Score pix other than morphs, period. And now, no Nadine pix period (as a result of a recent contact by Nadine's webmaster/copyright holder as per OUR webmaster Imaginos... this notice is also pinned at the top of the forum). Thus, rather than simply erradicate this entire thread, I am PMing Beer_is_good and asking him to immediately edit his posts so as to remove the attached Nadine pix. If he doesn't or can't do so promptly, I or another mod will take care of it.

PLEASE read and be aware of the site policies here... what rules we have are there with good reason and benefit all.

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suicidebomber

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #451 on: September 19, 2003, 07:58:11 PM »
Thanks for the pics B_i_G, Nadine is, and probably always will be my favourite large breasted model. She is really pretty too, which not many people comment on.

Some good points are made here, it probably is not a good idea to post whole sets on a thread when you can do it somewhere like Joggs.com in the user gallery.

Anyway, like the guy said, he's learning so I guess he won't do the same thing again.

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Palomine

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #452 on: September 19, 2003, 08:38:12 PM »
36 posts I edited, one at a time... in order to remove the problematic pictures but still leave this thread. I'm taking the rest of the night off.

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #453 on: September 20, 2003, 12:15:07 AM »
Palomine,

Thanks for the comments on my comment.  Obviously, the concerns I and some other people had about Nadine getting upset were justified.  On the other hand, I think that I addressed most of your comments myself, directly in my original post.  Specifically, in my last paragraph, where I pointed out that you are free to impose a policy of "no posting even if it's a perfectly legal fair use", if a copyright holder is sufficiently litigious to make it advisable.  Strictly from a legal standpoint, I stand by my original comments.  Actually, given the rather poorly constructed "safe harbor" provisions of the 1999 DCMA (Digital Millenium Coyright Act) copyright holders don't even need to sue.  They can ask an ISP to directly take preemptive action against an allegedly infringing site.  I think that this is an abominable and poorly considered law--but I understand that you still need to live with it and work around it.

As for the issue of whether a file is a "1st generation" or "2nd genration" copy, I specifically said that it didn't make a difference from a legal standpoint.  I simply said that I, personally, would feel better about copying something already in a public area as opposed to stealing straight from the source.

Finally, I too noted that the restrictions on the UG were imposed deliberately.  I understand about the distinction between the MG and UG and in general why these have been imposed. What I still don't understand is why using the forum just to deliberately evade those restrictions should be ok.
     

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Palomine

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #454 on: September 20, 2003, 12:30:46 AM »
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What I still don't understand is why using the forum just to deliberately evade those restrictions should be ok.
       




I agree with you... using the forum as gallery space to avoid the deliberate size/time limits ISN'T ok... and I've provided some brief reasons why for interested parties. Unlike the business re: Score and Nadine material, we don't (presently) have an explicit RULE about this sort of thing (forum as gallery) ...it's just my hope that folks will exercise restraint when populating their threads with image attachments.... we WANT folks to feel free to illustrate their ideas, but to do so as necessary/appropriate for the thread, not simply to use the forums as MG storage.

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Hllywood_4_life

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #455 on: September 20, 2003, 03:55:08 AM »
Not even 1 pic?

I mean yeah, it was overboard with all the pics posted

We're not trying to ruin the business or anything like that

I think 1 or 2 would be very appreciative  

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #456 on: September 20, 2003, 05:23:37 AM »
At this rate, one day ALL photos will be banned from the BEArchive and we will just be sitting around talking dirty about boobies.

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #457 on: September 20, 2003, 06:07:36 AM »
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At this rate, one day ALL photos will be banned from the BEArchive and we will just be sitting around talking dirty about boobies.  




Well... yes.  That is the main point of the BEA forum.  

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #458 on: September 20, 2003, 06:41:58 AM »
I guess you could see it coming. Score didn't want their pictures posted, but the real question is could Nadine's site do anything about it anyway? Don't we ignore their copyright laws? Or am I thinking backwards?

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E_W

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #459 on: September 20, 2003, 06:53:56 AM »
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I guess you could see it coming. Score didn't want their pictures posted, but the real question is could Nadine's site do anything about it anyway? Don't we ignore their copyright laws? Or am I thinking backwards?  




They CAN have us shut down.  If the BEA server had been situated in some banana republic, it might have been somewhat more complicated for them.  

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kalani

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #460 on: September 20, 2003, 12:18:06 PM »
>At this rate, one day ALL photos will be banned from the BEArchive and we will just be sitting around talking dirty about boobies.
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>I guess you could see it coming.
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Sadly, this is how things seem to go.  All it takes is one burglar and suddenly everyone has to start locking their doors.  In the case of Nadine's pics (or anyone else's), a little thought would have precluded flooding here.  But errors are useless if no lesson is learned.  While Nadine's pics are verboten, there are plenty of other models to post.  Let's just not lose our heads again.  

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Palomine

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #461 on: September 20, 2003, 12:43:02 PM »
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Not even 1 pic?

I mean yeah, it was overboard with all the pics posted

We're not trying to ruin the business or anything like that

I think 1 or 2 would be very appreciative  




No, the rule is now NO NADINE PIX period. I don't yet know if morphs are acceptable due to parody use (as with Score pix) but I think probably not... since we are honoring a request from the copyright holder directly. SO, NO NADINE PIX PERIOD until otherwise noted. Seriously, continued 'accidental' postings of Score/Nadine material WILL eventually be the straw that breaks the camel's back and litigation could follow. This site could fold up and disappear forever in a matter of hours following the first shots of a legal assault (or did you think that the BEA's owner has the cash and interest to hire a team of IP attorneys simply to keep all of us consuming porn?). It's up to EVERYONE AT THE BEA to abide by the posted rules re: pix, etc... in order to keep the site alive. Several users have already received individual warnings about violations.... and I suspect that such lattitude will decrease over time as the imminence of additional 'cease and desist' letters nears.

ABIDE BY THE POSTED RULES RE SCORE, NADINE, ETC... or find another site to frequent. There are a couple thousand folks (myself included) who'd hate to see the demise of the BEA after so many years.



Some common sense worth repeating (thanks Kalani):

Sadly, this is how things seem to go. All it takes is one burglar and suddenly everyone has to start locking their doors. In the case of Nadine's pics (or anyone else's), a little thought would have precluded flooding here. But errors are useless if no lesson is learned. While Nadine's pics are verboten, there are plenty of other models to post. Let's just not lose our heads again.  

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #462 on: September 20, 2003, 01:57:44 PM »
Geez, I saw this one coming from a mile away.

The problem is that we'll always have newbies joining the board with their collections and this WILL happen again. Either with Nadine or some other model.

Imaginos, you're going to have to set up some sort of restriction for the Forum. Something like 3 pictures over 100k per day or something. And it's going to have to be software, cause no one reads the rules anyways.
 

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #463 on: September 20, 2003, 02:14:00 PM »
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Hey sorry everyone, I never intented to cause a big deal about my post. I've never been flamed before for posting too many pics of a set (on other boards). Like I said I'm new here, so I'm still learning what's ok here. From now on I'll just post a few pics or a set.

My bad.  




My Bad? My BAD? Thanks to you, no one is allowed to post any more Nadine pics here ever again!

Being sorry isn't good enough, you have to fix what you've broken. A good start would be contacting Nadine (or whoever emailed Imaginos) and apologizing.
 

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Re: Nadine Jansen MERGED
« Reply #464 on: September 20, 2003, 02:40:17 PM »
Ssshhh, I sneaked a picture in...

102.5 pics of Nadine!  
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