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pop-ups
« on: April 01, 2003, 09:19:48 PM »
  Is it just me or is anyone else getting pop-ups when you are looking through the Bearchives pages?

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2003, 06:50:22 AM »
Check your computer first.  You might unknowingly have installed a program that makes pop-ups appear automatically, like Kazaa.  

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2003, 11:27:33 AM »
That's what I thought at first but it's always the same one and only happens here.  

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2003, 12:23:17 PM »
It doesn't happen to me anyway.  My web browser is Opera 7 for Windows.  

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2003, 04:17:02 PM »
Opera's nice. Cracked, of course. No way in Hell I'm going to pay for a web browser. Netscape 7 is okay, too. I also use an old IE 5.0 from time to time. Different browsers are good for different things.

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2003, 04:32:48 PM »
Maybe not, but if you're paying, this is the one you should buy.  I mean, how on earth did I ever manage to live without mouse gestures (shortcuts by small mouse movements and clicks in pre-defined patterns)?  It sure speeds up one-handed surfing...    

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2003, 07:38:44 PM »
Yes. When I say "cracked", I mean you download Opera, then you download a "crack" program, install it into your Opera directory, and then you get to use it free, forever, without paying.

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2003, 07:04:26 AM »
I dunno... wouldn't that be ILLEGAL?
(I knew that )  

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2003, 09:25:02 PM »
The free versions are already free 'forever'.
The only 'payment' is a standard sized ad banner that I've been happily accepting for well over a year rather than deal with the alternatives.
It's also right up there with Moz for W3C compliance.

It's a bummer though if they're not getting the revenue they deserve.  

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2003, 10:07:26 PM »
Oh sure, I understand they need to make a living. And it's a hassle searching Russian web sites and others looking for cracks and serial numbers for programs I want. The average person isn't going to know where to look, or even what to do with it if they find it. So the amount of people doing this is low, probably less than 5% of all users.

I just made a decision, way back in the infant net days of 1993, not to ever pay for any software programs, browsers, whatever. Every single program on my computer (and even ones I've deleted long ago) is cracked. Getright, Opera, Adobe, Photoshop, Corel, you name it.

My operating system (still Win98) is a pirated copy.

I can honestly say I've never paid for any software whatsoever. It's just my policy.

On the other hand, I still buy CDs (although I like burning mixed CDs too), DVDs, etc.

I have never downloaded a single movie, because the quality can't compare to a store-bought DVD, there's no liner info, notes, scene selection card, special features, etc etc.

I'm not a fan of piracy at all, except for software.

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2003, 03:55:25 PM »
Same here, more or less. Pirated Windows, all free software; but I find the free stuff is often more useable than retail focused software, so I don't bother with cracks.
When I lament Opera's crack, it's a matter of favouritism, not ideology. I'm still looking for a cracked, copyright-violating program that converts Real(TM) media to real media.  

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2003, 05:17:34 PM »
Sorry, is cracking something to brag about?  Maybe I'm just stodgy...
Adama, Addventure mega-geek

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2003, 05:55:17 PM »
I don't agree that dzoi and I are bragging at all.

For myself, I feel that this stuff (certain software) should be free. Not all software. Just your basic, run-of-the-mill stuff that everyone needs. Like web browsers or media players. No one should charge for things like that.

As an example, you don't have to go out after buying a car and buy the tires, the radio, the headlights all separately - they come with the car. So why does much of this software have to be bought separately?

Again, I'm certainly not bragging. I just think certain things should be free, and when they're not, I make 'em free if I can. Like I said, I buy all kinds of things, from DVDs to CDs, CD-ROMS, etc. I'm certainly not advocating piracy.

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2003, 06:11:13 PM »
  I don't particularly agree with that. as you put it,

 
In reply to:

As an example, you don't have to go out after buying a car and buy the tires, the radio, the headlights all separately - they come with the car. So why does much of this software have to be bought separately?  




 If you buy a car and then you want chrome alloy wheels or a moon roof you will have to pay for it.

  Just about any computer you buy will come with a preinstalled operating system and browser. If you don't like the one it came with you should have to pay for a better/different one.

  Ghost Hand  

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Re: pop-ups
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2003, 05:44:11 PM »
I apologize in advance if my post causes this thread to get nasty, but I just want to speak my mind...

In the past few years at college, I've seen the internet file swapping programs get really out of hand. I go over to people's houses now, and they've got stacks of hundreds or even thousands of CDs of movies and music and software. It's getting to where I'll ask a friend if he wants to go see a movie, and he's already downloaded it and seen it. This finally came to a head just recently when I saw people coming into college classrooms with bootlegged textbooks or the local hobby store with copies of table-top RPG rulesets. It has so bad that I don't have a single friend anymore who actuallys buys anything. Not only this, but I've actually started to see a change in norms among my social groups, that people actually ridicule and look down on me if I purchase something that can be gotten off of the net.

It doesn't bother me that people download stuff off the net - this kind of thing happens all the time and you can't stop people from getting something for nothing when there's no penalty attached. Hell, I can't even stop myself from doing it - I've got Kazaa and I download music and anime every now and then too. And I've shared bootlegged anime with my friends for years... I'm not so naive as to get angry at people for being leeches - that's just human nature. It's like expecting people to pick up a ten dollar bill on the ground and turn it in to lost and found. Yeah, that money could have been important. Some single mother could have been relying on it to buy food for her children. But its just as likely that some snot-nosed teenager, whose parents are doctors, threw it on the ground because it had a bad crease it it or something. It's not possible or reasonable to expect people to hold up such a trivial moral case for themselves - that ten dollar bill is lost, and it's the responsibility of the person who lost it to see that it didn't get put in a place where anybody could get it.

What I blame is the ease of distribution of property created by the Net. There needs to be tighter laws and tighter restrictions on the kinds of file-swapping that goes on on the net. This kind of protection should start at the national governemnet level. And mark my words, we WILL see this day in our life-time, where it'll cost you money just to send a file to somebody outside of your country. IMO, this type of thing will HAVE to be done, for the protection of our society and our way of life.

But that's beside the point. What really bothers me is the fact that, as a lawfully abiding citizen who works hard for his money and spends it carefully on entertainment or other things, I am looked down upon by the "leech" social class. I couldn't tell you how many times in the last year I've heard the phrase, "You actually PAID for that!?!" It makes me so mad to hear that phrase sometimes. I can't even describe it. I don't understand the new generation of people coming behind me, who feel that getting things for free is cool, trendy, and a God-given right! I've had people laugh at me for spending my money on stuff that I could "get for free off the net." I suppose it that makes me "old" to say that, but I don't think it has anything to do with age.

Don't get me wrong, I love my fellow man. But nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see the grin wiped off some people's face for the amount of pirating they do, especially when they start trying to make money off of it or when they start looking down on their friends for not joining in their habits. Not only that, I expect others to have to pay, in some way or another, for the things that I have to pay for. It makes me mad sometimes to see other people getting things that I spent a lot of time working for. That's why we have laws and live in a civilized society, and people who take something they didn't earn are called "thieves". Something has to be done about the Net, but what or how... I just don't know.

I'm sorry if I upset some people...

   
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