[shadowcom]

3Deroticer (3D): shadow! 1) you had a 16 year old audience asking you question

16 years is a normal age to be responsible of own actions - normally - this is the age of civil responsibility. However, I'm not Internet-clairvoyant.

3D: 2) HGH and steriod are definately not over the counter medicine and obtaining them without a prescription does not make it legal.

Could you precise, please, there I have written, that they should be bought/ordered by illegal mode ? As also I have not offered  to anyone here (or anythere) to buy them by illegal mode. There are a lot of places, there they can be ordered. In USA. In Europe it's more difficult, they don't sell them to everybody, but in USA - I delete the spum messages with offers to order HGH or steroids at least 1 time per day.   And if they can be ordered by this mode, this means that they can be sold without prescription. Anyway, it's not my business.

3D: 3) you were very descriptive of how one could inject themselve with the doses and the period of when the dosage should be applied.

Yes. Yes. And yes again.

3D: You are the only doctor that I know of that cant see the responsibility of giving medical advise over the net.

I don't see anything wrong in it. Because in this case this is a common mode of treatment (as also the dozes of drugs), described in medical litterature. As also I indicated in almost all my messages, that the selftreatment is dangerous, and the patient should address to the doctor first.
You keep in mind all your possible and impossible negatif (on your "IMHO") reactions, originated from my messages, but It's strange, that you don't remember the content of these messages.  

3D: Are you not getting it , that it would be a good idea to keep your diagnoses of your client in the privacy of your office.

I don't deal in diagnostics here. If you speak about YN - this problem has the character of public problem since the first pictures of her appeared. And it should be discussed publicly here, because, as I said - BEA is not a place to make the publicity of YN g.materials. One time - it's possible. Two times - well, it's possible, but then people starts send her pictures and videos every day - this is already a big problem. I agree, that there are a lot of visitors here, who don't have any idea about anything else, except for theirs hamburgers, beer, BB girls and american soccer, but it's not an argument to all other people here to don't see the evident medical things (here I speak about YN malady).  

To Tugboateap: is not a name of the person. As also it's not a callsign of the person. This is a common address for a group of at least 14 people (November 2001) -"Shadow community" ("shadowcom"). Some of them write messages here - I'm not a single person, who uses this login in BEA Forum. At the same time "Shadow" does not mean english "shadow" - this is the russian name of the person ("Schadov"), that has nothing common like sense with "shadow". Normally "shadowcom" means "Schadov group". Me, I'm an owner of this address and of this login, but I don't see anything dangerous, that some members of "Schadov group" use it anythere (here, f.e.). Understood ?

To all other members of discussion, who have written messages since my last post here: The most common problem for most visitors of BEA is that they manifest the strong tendency to make reflections ... by genitals and not by brains. (vulg.)   It concerns, I see, both not adult and adult visitors. People, really, genitals are not the best organ to make reflections !   I understand well, that it's difficult for some of you to say to yourselves, that you took part in this story with graphic materials of mentally ill not adult girl, but you can't lie to yourselves forever.   You can tell me ten times all these "recommendations" (the level of mental development of some of "recommending people" is ...   well, I don't speak about it), but they will not resolve the problem of YN graphic materials here.
Well, I tell it again, - don't try to shut down the business of porno-delaers, selling the pictures of mentally ill children, but don't encourage theirs business here, at BEA. If someone is against it ? Or this person should prove it first to his genitals and only later to his brain ?

[shadowcom]

To JMM: You are right, if it concerns normal people. But not that case.  

[shadowcom]

To GonZo: You are also right. But now all these people knows the origin of the pictures/graphic materials/videos, that they see and collect, as also they know the situation of the girl, who can be observed on these pictures/graphic materials/videos. And if they continue to collect these materials - it can be considered only like theirs person.choice and result of pers.desire - now it's impossible for them to say that they don't know anything about origin of these materials. If they like collect this materials - well, why not - it's theirs choice - but distribution of these materials for public use via BEA now is already a different thing than it was before and it should be punished (IMHO).

[Pacman]

You're still around arguing this?

Yeesh.

Lemme know when a resolution happens. Or when someone else 100% agrees with you, or when you succeed in your quest.

I guess somebody just let me know when this thread accomplishes something besides bickering.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Okay, I just wandered into this web site, saw Yulia's name mentioned, and was instantly drawn to this particular board. I scrolled thru all three pages, and I JUST COULDN'T TAKE IT ANY MORE.

I had to register and post my reply.

I have seen Yulia's pictures and mpeg's. Her figure is undoubtedly one of the most stunning of her generation (I am in my 40's and Yulia is the Roberta Pedon [early 70's]of her generation--or vice versa).

To conclude from what I saw that she is mentally retarded is the absolute height of madness!! She is the archetypical shy young borderline 18 girl (the controversy over whether she is 16, 17 or 18 is pointless, except perhaps to lawyers) unsure of herself, **86** to part her legs because she is still too shy to expose her vagina, from the vid's I have seen.

I quickly tired of the oligo-psychobabble and the accompanying agony of its syllable by syllable deconstruction. I don't know--I look at her face and why couldn't she have an IQ of 142? Hmmmmm? Maybe the smirk she occasionally sports is because she thinks she is playing US for the fool?

I also not only play a medical professional on the web, but I am one too in real life, and that gets us to HGH.

I am a pharmacist with a Ph.D. in pharmacology, have degrees from two pharmacy schools (Univ. of Wisconsin and Mercer University in Atlanta GA) and routinely give prescribing advice to surgeons. I know my stuff.

Ten years ago I worked with the pioneers of human growth hormone back when it cost $10,000 a milligram to dig out of cadaver pituitaries. I was--and remain--one of the earliest researchers in HGH and there are fewer than a dozen people in the world who know as much about HGH as I do. And that, boys and girls, is a fact....

I have worked with Drs. Bob Goldman, Ronald Klatz of the USA and Santoya of Brazil, and well as Dr. Ben Weider (founder and chairman of the Mr. Universe contest) on HGH. If these names are familiar to you, then you will know my name too, which is Van Knutson, Pharm.D. Reciting resume's is boring and I apologize, but suffice to say, if you know as much about HGH as I do, identify yourself, because trust me, I WILL KNOW YOU.

* * * *

Anyway, HGH is the real deal and you would never doubt its potential or its effects if you have seen what I have seen. It will take 15 to 20 yrs off an individuals biological age. Forty year old women look 25, and a 73 yr old gentleman I know looks barely 50. Hair regrows and turns dark, saggy upper arms tighten up, breasts get firmer, muscle mass to fat ratios increase in both sexes....BUT, I have never, ever used HGH to enlarge penises. Not that I have any moral objections; just the opposite, I am very open minded.

Is it possible? Good question. Penile tissue grows and terminates in early adolescence, just like girl's breasts are usually done growing by the time they are 14 or 15. There is a difference between organic tissue getting YOUNGER as opposed to LARGER...so I remain a skeptic. I would love to have a younger mans penis, but I suspect it will still be 6 inches long.

Getting back to Yulia, my assessment of the whole debate may seem harsh. Lets face it--most 18 yr old girls who pose nude for magazines are disadvantaged, are they not?

For every non-exploitative "college girl earning money for tuition" story, there are a hundred single mothers struggling to pay bills, uneducated dropouts who are desperate, homeless drug addicts, etc--and I think most of us understand this on a subconscious level--yet we still leer and fantasize.

So this sudden spasm of sympathy and righteousness for poor old Yulia makes me gag. Regarding her alleged situation: tough--life sucks, too bad. Young women have been exploited for their bodies since the dawn of humankind and this will continue long after we here are gone. It is understood the most nubile, fertile young females go to the most powerful men--the generals, the emperors, the kings, and we get to fantasize WE are the alpha males and have the alpha females to ourselves. It is just human nature, and that is okay. We fantasize about ourselves as much as the females we look at,and neither know nor care about how their journey thru life brought them to our door. Give me a frickin' break.

End of rant. Thanks!  

ps--I somehow stumbled thru 18 years of medical practice without once seeing the term "oligophrene"  

[3deroticer]

Okay shadowcom!  This is what I prefer when talking about drugs, as per information that is still in good taste, and not sounding like a pusher. Notice that Van Knutson, gave no instruction about how much to get nor how much dosage is require,and how to shoot it in, nor telling anyone where to get it for themselves. I have been in bodybuilding, and have known some professional in the sport and yet none of them come across as drug pusher to the public.
Thank God that a Pharmicist step in to represent professionalism, and I thank Van Knutson, for that!
Now I am curious about Van, and the people he knows, if he knows Ben Weider. Coming from Wisconsin,which I have been told is the best education for physical fitness and health in the nation, he would have hobnob(known) many top athletes. I would be looking forward to some of the stories that I am sure that he has collected over the years. I dont think your resume would be all that boring!

[MasterBlaster]

Sorry Mammeistro - while I applaud your creativity - your last post - doesn't add to the thread, instead, it demeans someone. So it had to go. I thank Southpaw for his lucidity, and carefully composed constructive replies. And to the rest of you who joined in, thanks, but Pacman was right. This topic has outlived its usefulness. Everyone can think what they like, but there will not be a resolution.

I will lock this one down and we can all dream about which ever Yulia or Julia turns us on. Uh, do you think the Asia H-Cups are real. Maybe we should have a long thread about that. Uh oh, ssshhh... here comes Nurse Ratchett...

MasterBlaster

[MasterBlaster]

Not looking for a Moderator conflict, but I locked this post down, and somehow it was unlocked - and what was accomplished ?

Aside from an initial apology from The Maestro the three posts following my lockdown were just more slinging and defaming. So they were deleted. And I will again close this post.

       

[**DONOTDELETE**]

First, I'll say this...I don't care how old or retarded she is.  If I see something more substantial later about how real these wild-and-getting-wilder-every-post stories are, then maybe I'll delete this post.  In the meantime, she's hot, assumedly of consenting age, and well, even retarded people can earn porno dollars.

Now, with that out of the way, here's what I learned.  You can find most of Yulia's videos on Morpheus/Kazaa (and likely other peer-to-peer software) for free.  Just searching for "Yulia", I found over 30 versions of the videos for download and they all have descriptions about "young" "russian" big boobs", so it's definitely the right person, although I haven't seen the videos yet to be doubly sure.

Have fun downloading!  Save your $500 or whatever outrageous price tokyotopless is charging.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

simply go to www.hooters.dk  - use a pop-up stopper before entering their site to prevent all their crap from loading - and download all the chippy videos.  then use the joiner software to put the videos together.

[shadowcom]

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A Flame War will not be tolerated, permitted, or allowed to continue.

MB  

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

Ditto:

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A Flame War will not be tolerated, permitted, or allowed to continue.

MB  

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[MasterBlaster]

Shadowcom & Mammeistro - and all other concerned parties.

Be aware of one factor. I am no one's 'running dog' or lap dog. There is NO heirarchal chain of command that gives me orders on how or what to moderate. There is NO ONE giving me instructions on what to delete. I operate on my own.

The original post had outlived its usefulness. Clearly it had gone beyond a discussion about Y/N's reality, or should I say - perceived reality, and had devolved downward in to a series of ad hominem attacks. I thought I had locked the post down.

Somehow it had re-opened. Shadowcom and Mammeistro - again the two of you began hurling verbal spears at each other.

So those posts were deleted and the thread was again locked.

So then you open a new thread - this time discussing another poster here. Again  creating another crosscurrent of attacks, so Mammeistro replies in kind - so again - we have a new flame war erupt.

AS I said above - THIS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Leave this subject once and for all. Do not stir up more problems by continuing with attacks on other people. You flame, you get deleted.

MasterBlaster
Anyone recall the dark humor of Dr. Strangelove: "Gentlemen!! You can't fight in here. This is the WAR ROOM!

                   

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[taacct2]

I just noticed that www.jlist.com  is selling the Yulia Nova videos.  One of them anyway, and they say they can order the rest.

[Bondo]

http://www.putalocura.com/2002/articulos/yulia/yulia/index.htm