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The Unemployed Lounge
« on: November 19, 2009, 10:18:35 AM »
It was suggested in another thread that we have someplace where those of us looking for work get together and commiserate over it.

Thus, this thread.

Unburden yourself of your worries. Dump on your former employer. Swap job-search tips. Get comments on your (identity-obscured) resume. Gripe about the whole process of changing jobs involuntarily.

I was laid off from my Administrative Clerk position at the local utility company in the middle of September. Over the summer, one of the women in my dept. went on maternity leave, and over the three months they must have realized "We can do this with one less person!". And since I was the last guy hired, and a contract employee to boot... I was called in to the manager's office 45 minutes before quitting time and told my services would no longer be needed, pack up and go. I couldn't fight it; they owed me nothing. Though they did let me go on Thursday and paid me for Friday...

In fairness, I was slacking off this summer. Due to a combination of depression and stress, I had basically stopped caring. And it showed.

I immediately signed up for Unemployment. With all the extensions and extras they have these days, I'm getting a little more than I think I deserve. The only "belt-tightening" I had to do was stop the automatic withdrawals from my checking account to my IRA. And I've got a few thousand dollars in savings, so when Unemployment stops, I can go for a few more months without major worries. That's both good and bad. Good in that I'm not in a state of panic, but bad in that there's little urgency.

New York's Labor Dept. has an "Employment Center" where they have a number of workshops and services for people on Unemployment. Shortly after you apply for Unemployment, you get a letter from them saying "Come to this Orientation Session, or you may lose your benefits." I went, of course. In addition to job postings, they have computers, faxes, and printers for those who don't have them at home. There are workshops on writing a resume and cover letter, and going on an interview. Good and helpful stuff. I got a tip to a job board (Indeed.com) where I've been finding a lot more and better postings than on places like Career Builder and Monster.

Speaking of the job boards, I have to wonder if anyone actually ever reads your cover letters. More than once I've succumbed to the temptation to stick in a line to the effect of "does anyone ever actually read these?" or "Don't you get tired of reading the same darn things every day?"

I also get frustrated with their search engines. My basic search is for "all jobs within 25 miles" of my zip code (Office work is needed in all fields, so I don't narrow things by job sector). They use straight line distances. I live on the north shore of Long Island Sound, so half the jobs that come up are out on Long Island, which means I'd actually have to drive around 40 miles (and pay a toll of $5 - each way) to get to them!

Career Builder annoys me the most. You're supposed to address your cover letter to someone at the company. But how can you do that when Career Builder lists the job under "Company Confidential"?

I've had three interviews to date. The first was for a marketing company in Manhattan. I knew right away I didn't want to work for them when I arrived and found their receptionist was sitting at a desk in a tiny hallway. The second, for AFLAC, wasn't so much an interview as a 45 minute presentation on what AFLAC was and how they worked. I actually didn't remember applying with them (and there's nothing in my notes), but I went anyway. I don't have the right temperament for sales of any sort, so even though they asked me to come in for a real interview, I'm giving them a pass. For now.

The third one was a complete waste of my time. I applied to one of those "New Firm Expanding into Area - All Jobs (Entry Level) Needed" ads. Hey, they're going to need an Office Flunky, right? After getting the call for the interview, I went to check the company out online. Couldn't find a damn thing! When I got there, things did not improve. The name on the door was for a completely different company. It was in the exact same location as a place where I "interviewed" for the same type of job the last time I was out of work - and that company's name wasn't what was on the door this time, nor was it the company I was interviewing with this time. And it turned out that they were only interested in hiring sales people. People to stand around at Home Depot (in Home Depot uniforms) and "help" customers make choices about redecorating their kitchens. When the guy asked "Does that sound like something you'd like to do?", I immediately answered "No." So much for that.

I've got a placement firm working for me, but that business is just as depressed as the rest of the economy. At least they will know first when things start to pick up.

In any case, come December, I'm going to start seriously considering taking some courses. Maybe an online program for an MBA or some other certification. I've got time, and some money. It couldn't hurt my job prospects.

How are you doing?
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 10:28:45 AM »
Great idea for a thread. I've been looking for conventional work since a year ago. There just isn't much out there, especially media work. One job I applied to had 200 applicants.

That said, I've been very lucky to spin up some consulting work and a few other projects. Meanwhile, more canned soup courtesy food stamps. I don't date, I don't go out, I have the internet only for my work but even that's just dial-up -- I'm saving every nickel. Rent food and bills -- that's all I spend on.

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 12:42:43 PM »
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Speaking of the job boards, I have to wonder if anyone actually ever reads your cover letters. More than once I've succumbed to the temptation to stick in a line to the effect of "does anyone ever actually read these?" or "Don't you get tired of reading the same darn things every day?"
Believe it or not, they DO read cover letters, mainly because so many people believe that they are worthless and therefore do not send them, so those few candidates that do take the time to create a cover letter stand out from the crowd and in a good way.

Getting a good recruiter is vital. Sure, you can and should do the leg work on your own, but having a good recruiter in your corner increases the odds of getting interviews and/or your foot in the door. The operative word being, of course, "good". I've dealt with some real doozies in the past, where they keep on giving me job opportunities in places that are impossible to commute to, or in states thousands of miles away from where I live -- even when I specifically told them where I want to work. Arrgh.
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2009, 11:20:44 AM »
I haven't had much luck at all with Monster, CareerBuilder or the like.

Thanks for the Indeed.com tip.  I will try that one out.

I've had 4 interviews.  I think I've seen both sides of spectrum in terms of questions.  One end is a multitude of questions, constantly peppering the interviewee with different angles and questions like, "Describe your perfect day" or "What is your biggest weakness/strength?"  or "Where do you see yourself in five years?"  That interview lasted 90 minutes.

And then the OTHER side of the spectrum is where I came in, sat down, made about 1 minute of small talk, and then the guy stared at me and said "tell me about yourself".  I did.  Then he said, "Why do you want to be a [this job]?"  I answered.  Then he said, "Anything else?"  No.  "okay, good bye."  Wow.  What a goocher.  Took 20 minutes.  It actually took me longer to drive there than the interview, and its in the city i live in!

My biggest problem is I get very nervous.  When I get nervous, I clam up and don't want to talk.  Also, when I'm nervous I can't breathe. When I can't breathe, I can't think.  Its very problematic.  Any tips on that??

Also, what sucks bad is that its a employers market.  And the ones I've seen KNOW IT.

Another problem is that we all know that in this market, people like us are going to interview for stuff we don't necessarily really want to do in the long term.  Everybody knows it.  So I feel bad interviewing for jobs that I never would interview for or take if the economy were better.  And then having to lie and pretend that I really really want their crappy job.
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2009, 12:50:12 PM »
My biggest problem is I get very nervous.  When I get nervous, I clam up and don't want to talk.  Also, when I'm nervous I can't breathe. When I can't breathe, I can't think.  Its very problematic.  Any tips on that??
Yes: practice. You need to get a friend who will roleplay with you, she plays the interviewer, you play the interviewee. Have answers prepared for those inane, time-wasting HR-style interview questions, and practice answering them until you can do them, convincingly, in your **82**. It's just like dancing, the more you do it, the better you get at it. For other interview advice, check out Net-Temps (also helps with jobs).
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 01:17:40 PM »
To boil that down, they want 21 one year olds. We are screwed. But what do we do, now, until 40, 60 years?

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 07:33:42 PM »
          my resume

Position desired: a paying job

work history: Wait staff, Denny's, Ihop, Pollo Tropical,  White Castle (won't work the nite shift) Long Dong Silver, Joe's 24hr "eat em and beat em"

education-yes, wat? U think i'm somedum bitch?

Background:born and rais  on a farm, kno the diff between a cock and  dick. Know all about world affairs.....Welcome Hawaii.
Culture: mixed, peeps call me a blend, however I'm very cultured. Need proof? check out the records at the clinic, Nurse there is always taking my cultures. yeah , and what separates me from the rest? my results always come back positive.....now, beat that?

about me: very big on entertaining at home, love to invite peeps over on a friday night for dinner. Only prob is , I'm not sure there's enough left overs to go around.

I have made very high goals for me in this life. #1 is to hit the lottery, #2, get my GED before i turn 40. both within my grasp.


in closing It's clear.... I have it together. No reason why You Would Not Consider Me  .
                                                 
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 12:51:45 AM »
I'd say she's got a great resume....

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 03:28:22 PM »
I'd say she's got a great resume....

SHE'S HIRED!!!

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2009, 05:32:30 PM »
I wonder if that's why people hire me... I got 5 jobs atm and no free time whatsoever.
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 08:02:59 PM »
Maybe they're just afraid of swift and blinding death. :P
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 09:52:41 PM »
I wonder if that's why people hire me... I got 5 jobs atm and no free time whatsoever.

I'll gladly be your personal assistant...working 5 jobs and staying "Shariffic" can't be easy. :P

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 02:41:05 PM »
I wonder if that's why people hire me... I got 5 jobs atm and no free time whatsoever.

Uh, does that mean your forum posts are part of a job?   ;)

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2009, 12:20:57 AM »
onion_writer: my sis used to be in journalism and now works for a PR firm.  Someone I know has a daughter who recently finished college with a specialization in journalism, and she was looking for work.  So I pinged my sister, who replied: get into the hot 'net media, such as Twitter and the like.  Companies seem to want people with experience, capable of posting snippets pertinent to the company.  (What can YOU say in 140 chars or less?)

My biggest problem is I get very nervous.  When I get nervous, I clam up and don't want to talk.  Also, when I'm nervous I can't breathe. When I can't breathe, I can't think.  Its very problematic.  Any tips on that??

A couple:

1. Throw yourself into interviews, even ones you know will suck, or ones you have no interest in.  The experience will wear you down, in a good way.  Repetition will polish up the short message you want to deliver about yourself, the sales summary, if you will.  The post-interview self-assessments should help you work on toning down the things you feel are glaring issues about your typical interview, as well as provide reinforcement for those glimmering moments where you felt you shined.  In a way, you're getting yourself tired (fatigued), and it's hard to stay nervous of those things which are old and familiar.  Like brushing your teeth: it's old news now, but you no doubt heard more than once about the "right way" to brush your teeth.  ;)

2. Take a DEEP breath.  Breathe.  Answer slowly, and keep answers brief.  This was (is?) my classic problem, ie, taking a question and rambling in 27 different fantastic tangents, forgetting what the original question was.  Take a deep breath, so you have a moment to ponder the answer.

3. Body language.  This isn't just for the interviewer, it's for you as well.  Anyone familiar with psychology should know that while a mood may manifest physically (eg, good mood = smile, bad mood = scowl, sad mood = sad face, etc), the reverse is also true.  Meaning, if you spend a half hour smiling, that by the end of that half hour, you'll be in a better mood.  (If you scowl for half an hour, you'll want to become a tax specialist. ;) (If you put on a sad face for half an hour, you'll want to give your ex-wife more money for no clear reason. ;) ))

4. Hypnotism:  I don't mean going to participate in entertainment hypnotism.  Find a professional, one with credentials.  Explain your short-term goal (nerves, confidence, etc).  A good one should be able to get you moving very adequately with a single visit.  This of course depends on your available cash; when I did this, it set me back something like $150.  I never needed to do a second visit (at that time; I wouldn't mind going back for a tune up in a different direction).

5. Visualization:  Take a tip from Anthony Robbins and the like.  Picture yourself dressed so sharply (yet not overdone) that people are automatically swayed by your charisma.  Picture yourself getting the job.  This is the sort of visualization exercise you'll need to do over and over, likely in a meditative (ie, undistractive) setting.  Reinforce the mindset by springing for a professional shoe polish, while-you-wait.  (Both 4 & 5 can benefit if you have a CD/MP3 with generic messages which reinforce the message (I still listen to mine periodically, always at bedtime (always conks me out)).

6. Print your resume (and cover) on subtly coloured paper.  Nothing garish, nothing which assaults the retinas.  But sufficient to stand out in a stack, something to pique the reader's curiosity.  Maybe a texture to the paper (again, subtle), so they notice it when they pick it up.

7. Shut up and LISTEN.  I can't personally vouch for this, but a) this is a classic sales technique, and b) you're trying to sell yourself.  Don't tell them what YOU want, tell them what they want to hear.  Maybe shallow, but whatever.  Like any sale, it is always ALWAYS a subjective opinion, not based purely on metrics.  Soft skills are in, so use interviews to smooth over the rough spots.

8. Eye contact.  Not in a psycho stalkerish way. ;)

9. Smile.  See #8.

10. Try to relax.  If you still feel uptight, start doing things which you think relaxed people might do.  Again with the physical body helping to manifest the desired mindset.

Gah.  I started this post, thinking it would just be 2 or 3.  Seems I rambled a bit.  Most if not all of the points are largely the same message, anyway.  ;)

Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 09:26:11 PM »
onion_writer: my sis used to be in journalism and now works for a PR firm.  Someone I know has a daughter who recently finished college with a specialization in journalism, and she was looking for work.  So I pinged my sister, who replied: get into the hot 'net media, such as Twitter and the like.  Companies seem to want people with experience, capable of posting snippets pertinent to the company. 

Thanks -- and thanks very much to your sister. Yes, social media is all the rage in PR and marketing right now, and its value is really misunderstood. I've been doing some marketing consulting and I want to do more with that (at least until something else opens up). I frankly think I'm way ahead of what most people are selling in the way of social media consulting, because I used to head market strategy and its basis on technology-adoption-cycles at a very large tech firm.

So -- excellent points! Thanks again.