[Capn_Potato]

If it is near impossible to fit into clothing already, might just go the whole 9 yards.

Now that's a good outlook, I think!

[kithara]

Seriously Mrs.P, you read my mind with that list

I think Mrs. Pacman is right with her list.

There are a few more that I feel should be
added.


Seatbelts that dig and grab
No strapless dresses or outfits
old women giving the stink eye
tripping over things you can't see
most sports are or become difficult
men's possibly intentional elbow bumps 
underwires that poke out and stab
boobs that attempt to type on keyboards
dribble food on blouses, tops, etc.
60$ or more for a decent bra
squeezing through tight areas awkwardly


Playing piano with crossing hands is also
a challenge. When your own body gets in
the way it can get very frustrating.

I have always felt that women with an
average build and boob size were the
best off. They do not have to deal with
either end of the spectrum and can also
play them up or down depending on the
circumstance. If you are either very small
or very big you do not have real options.
It comes down to how you feel and how
others treat you because of your boobs. 

I have told Nim that if there was a way
to have mine reduced that would not be
so painful, possibly disfiguring or could
make my Lupus freak out I would make
the change. This is not an option or a
practical consideration so I make the best
out of what I am. I have never felt that
I am charmed because of my chest.

[BarneyFife]

Even with the disadvantages the advantages outweigh them attracting the opposite sex it seems. Most men are boob men.It would be interesting to have a Jessica Alba and a Denise Milani in one room and see who attracted the most guys for an experiment. Now the main question is leading a charmed life everyone has their own difficulties. Some women have it easier than others but still everyone has their own issues to deal with.

[MunchWolf]

On the other hand, if you like boobs, who cares what others think about them? I love mine and want more. It's already hard to live with a big chest. If it is near impossible to fit into clothing already, might just go the whole 9 yards.

9 yards of boobs?

That's like .... a lot ....

-Munch "sorry, it's outside the realm of fruit and sports equipment comparison ... so I can't grok it" Wolf

[dfdf]

Hallelujah! I'm glad somebody said something about it. Thank you for that 

no problem. I didn't think liking big breasts and being a rational human being with some empathy were mutually exclusive. Unfortunately I been proven wrong repeatedly and this is no different 

I feel your pain ladies, and I sense a mob uprising against my initial thesis.

Just keep in mind the other side of it too.  One of your own gender (who is speaking from the flat-chested side) has spoken in favor of the thesis (with a strong-worded final sentence, especially)

from Nora Ephron: “A Few Words about Breasts.” Crazy Salad. 1975:
I am nonetheless obsessed by breasts. I cannot help it. I grew up in the terrible Fifties -- with rigid stereotypical sex roles, the insistence that men be men and dress like men and women be women and dress like women, the intolerance of androgyny -- and I cannot shake it, cannot shake my feelings of inadequacy. Well, that time is gone, right? All those exaggerated examples of breast worship are gone, is gone, right? Those women were freaks, right? I know all that. And yet, here I am, stuck with the psychological remains of it all, stuck with my own peculiar version of breast worship. You probably think I am crazy to go on like this: Here I have set out to write confession that is meant to hit you with the shock of recognition and instead you are sitting there thinking I am thoroughly warped. Well, what can I tell you? If I had had them, I would have been a completely different person. I honestly believe that.

After I went into therapy, a process that made it possible for me to tell total strangers at cocktail parties that breasts were the hang-up of my life, I was often told that I was insane to have been bothered by my condition. I was also frequently told, by close friends, that I was extremely boring on the subject. And my girlfriends, the ones with nice big breasts, would go on endlessly about how their lives have been far more miserable than mine. Their bra strips were snapped in class. They couldn't **82** on their stomachs. They were stared at whenever the word "mountain" cropped up in geography. They had a terrible time of it, they assure me. I don't know how lucky I was, they say.

I have thought about their remarks, tried to put myself in their place, considered their point of view. I think they are full of shit.

I don't think that passage supports your thesis, in fact I'd it does the opposite. It comes off as a social commentary and critique about society's, least in her time period, obsession with large breasts and the pressure it puts on women with androgynous features, like her and her flat-chest. There is not one word of praise about big breasts, in fact she does the opposite and lists the typical hang-ups with big breasts. Oh sure she's jealous and has contempt for busty women but it's not solely because of their figure but rather the fact that their figure fits the stereotype of what women should look in her time (I'd even say it's still goes on today unfortunatly).

Also I'm not sure why you're putting emphasize on that last line which basically comes off as a big STFU to actually to busty women who really don't find their big breasts all that great. It's highly hypocritical to be ask to consider the other side when the other side clearly isn't considering yours.

Anyway I'm sorry man, neither you or the author are busty women, so really aren't exactly qualified to speak on the issue. As Mrs. Pacman  said it feels more or less like you want the fairy tale version of having large breasts, where the women complaining "don't know how good they have it".

[RandomX]

Even with the disadvantages the advantages outweigh them attracting the opposite sex it seems. Most men are boob men.It would be interesting to have a Jessica Alba and a Denise Milani in one room and see who attracted the most guys for an experiment. Now the main question is leading a charmed life everyone has their own difficulties. Some women have it easier than others but still everyone has their own issues to deal with.

Pretending both women were equally as famous? I'm willing to put money on the fact that a fair majority of the men would flock to Alba. In this environment we forget that our idea of big and the common idea of big are WAY different. For us, Denise is a great start. For most people, that's an intimidating amount of breast, regardless of if they are boobmen or not.

You can't say that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages without walking a mile in our shoes. Having big breasts means constantly being judged for your chest. Having people constantly looking down at your boobs and assuming you aren't intelligent because you have a big rack. The clothing industry refuses to cater to women with our measurements. I'm so sick of wearing a woman's 2x which hangs all over me like a blanket and is straining in the chest.

There are two times that stand out that breasts are an advantage. The first is when you live your life as a bad stereotype and let your breasts get you free things and get you ahead in the game. You might get a sugardaddy, a decent job or some great perks but you also get a very detrimental reputation as being someone who is willing to be a complete phony and use her body to get ahead. Women like that get NO respect.

Alternatively, there are the women who every so often dress them up when they go up to feel good. We display a bit of cleavage^* and head out in public. We might get offered a free drink or get a stare or two, but when anyone gussies up, they play to their advantages. A skinny girl might accentuate her waist, a woman with a nice butt might wear some tight jeans. That's not putting us ahead as much as you might think.

^* I'm sure I've posted my percentage gripe on here before, but let me do it again. I hate that I can't wear cleavagey tops. When you have as much as myself and other large ladies on here do, you just can't get away with that. I see it in terms of percentages. A B cup shows cleavage, she shows 10% of her B's. If an H cup shows the same 10% of her H's though, that's showing more breast than most people even have. You can't go out in public  and show a little skin without looking like a whore simple because it is impossible to not look like a whore. It makes me sad that all the little tittied girls get to not only wear the pretty and well fitting bras, but they get to wear the shirts that show off all that they don't have.

[Nimrod]

...
You can't say that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages without walking a mile in our shoes. Having big breasts means constantly being judged for your chest. Having people constantly looking down at your boobs and assuming you aren't intelligent because you have a big rack. The clothing industry refuses to cater to women with our measurements. I'm so sick of wearing a woman's 2x which hangs all over me like a blanket and is straining in the chest.
...

Categorically big-breasted women do NOT lead a charmed life. Some do cultivated their curves for some immediate or superficial advantage but I have yet to witness or hear about anyone who I would say has had a charmed life. Also, finding a handful of rare examples does not outweigh the overwhelming majority of chesty women who have had to deal with all the issues and events already mentioned here. (plus I am sure many more)
Also - I doubt that their "charmed life" is actually a result of just a largish chest.

When Kithara and I talked about this thread it really did open a floodgate of recollections on her part to which I had many a corresponding anecdote from some friend or fellow female employee. All that really does not need to be repeated here but it does again reemphasize that big boobs are a burden on many levels.

Also - I feel that I can back back-up RandomX on her percentage rant. Kith has on several occasions asked if she was showing too much cleavage. The frustrating thing is that the top she may have on is only ever so slightly low cut. But at her size a little cleavage is something like 3-4 inches (7.6-10.2 cm). More than many woman can muster flat out.
She has gotten thousands of stares and some verbal derision while wearing the most mundane of outfits. And that is just from a clothing standpoint. The boob-based assumptions about her character, intelligence, capabilities, athleticism, even her sexual stamina have all been rampant and fairly constant most of her life.

A charmed life it has not been.

I find the thread question naive at best and sexist at worst, but I feel it just shows a general lack of sympathy and a presumption that a person's quality of life could be attributed entirely to a body part. It is my opinion that the naturally very busty in general overcome their chest and eventually define themselves in terms beyond just their jugs. That is when their lives can become "charmed" as they are no longer defined by their proportions but make them a element of their personality. Oddly when they adopt an "elephant in the room" approach they no longer have to deal with the weight. (speaking metaphorically)

Dolly Parton, "Most people will say I'm much more than just a big pair [of boobs], well most anyway."

[bignatslover]

I appreciate the many thoughts chiming in, even the ones that border on harsh and presume me to be a drooling, groveling, ignorant sexist pig.
 
So just to play devil's advocate some more: Could you honestly say that Anya's life would have been better off if she were flat-chested and remained penniless in the Ukraine instead of having the life that her chest has brought her?

[Feral]

So just to play devil's advocate some more: Could you honestly say that Anya's life would have been better off if she were flat-chested and remained penniless in the Ukraine instead of having the life that her chest has brought her?

I'll give it a shot. Do you know for a fact that she was penniless while living in the Ukraine? If so then I will agree, getting the chance to come to America and make money showing off her boobs is probably better then being broke at home. Maybe she gets to travel back home to visit friends and family, maybe she can send money back home, maybe she'll eventually bring her family over, I don't know - don't want to get to deep into it.

But I think that's a contrived example - an anecdote. Most women here with big natural boobs don't want to be pigeon-holed into a career that involves getting nude in front of a camera. How long does that really last? Unless you are Chloe, you get about 10-15 years at your peak. Oh sure, there are people who do it for a lot longer, but do they really make enough to support themselves the way they want to live? And once you chose this sort of career it makes it tough to get a job in the regular world because lots of employers don't want to be associated with porn.

I would wager there are plenty of women out there with big natural boobs who if told that their lifestyle would change (as in more money - a lot more money) would still choose not to take their clothes off in front of a camera. Maybe some would choose it over being homeless and destitute, but I think plenty would say no and continue to be a working class person, over the flash and dazzle of a porn star.

[bignatslover]

Do you know for a fact that she was penniless while living in the Ukraine?

Yes.  She talks on her live cam and she talked about the economic crash in Ukraine after communism collapsed.  To be fair, she was never completely penniless, but her household was stuck with no way to be upwardly mobile.  Additionally, she has never yet been to America (yet!) but she wants to.  The point I am making with her still stands.

[gmantwo]

The older I get, the more I notice that few women are satisfied with the way they look. Big boobed women want to fit in more tailored clothes. Small busted women long to get stared at for their bodies. Pretty women imagine some sort of imperfection that no one else can see. Women that are smart and self confident with themselves will always draw my attention regardless of their bodies ( but I do notice busty gals first).

Good example: This week I was at a workshop where I was seated next to two women. One was a plain looking sort with a lumpy body who outwardly exuded little self confidence or self image. She dressed in shapeless clothes and I doubt ever gets looked at twice when walking by. The other was an absolute knockout, a milfy mid-30's gal with an outgoing personality and waspish waist that accentuated her ample bustline. She dressed in tight tops and skirts and high heels.

I spent 3 workdays with these gals and got to talk to each of them and work with them on multiple occasions. The plain gal turned out to have quite a sense of humor and a great smile when she chose to use it. She was smart and had a quick wit. The pretty gal was smart too, but as I got to know her, was always talking about herself and her looks. How if she ate something it went right to her butt and all that. It didn't take long to see most of her beauty was on the outside. I'm betting she is a very high maintenance type.

What does this prove? Nothing. I've seen busty gals that used their looks to their advantage and had great lives right to the end. Others find excuses for what they are dealt and find ways to lose.

Perhaps that's just life in the land of beer and cheese.

[Feral]

The older I get, the more I notice that few women are satisfied with the way they look.

Its tough for them, I think. They are under assault all day long. Our society is constantly attacking all of us into not being too complacent. If you aren't wanting to change something, then something is wrong with you or you need to take a pill, in which case there are several. Women have it worse, though most advertising is aimed at them. Just watch a prime time television show and see how many ads come on about weight loss, clothing, cosmetics, happy pills, etc. Most of it is aimed at women. Guys? We get beer commercials that either make us laugh or put a scantily clad woman in our face. Car commercials and...maybe a bodywash commercial telling us not to stink, or razor ad telling us to shave. And the reward for that is of course, a scantily clad or impressively beautiful woman will want to touch us. And undoubtedly that woman is going to be a size 6 or below with a C cup and perfectly saloned hair. It won't ever be that cuddly cute, pudgy girl at the coffee shop who looks like she is trying to hide the fact that she has double G cup boobs, or the short lifeguard down at the community pool with big, thick legs, wide hips, and enormous tight butt - or whatever is that's outside "the norm" that isn't featured as "pretty" or desirable by mainstream media.

[MrsPacman1]

Kithara - It was most excellent to see you post, and you made some painfully true reasons why we can lead less than charmed lives. Thank you.

RX - I know, I know! Sometimes I forget that it takes us the better part of the day to read and respond to each other. 

Yes.  She talks on her live cam and she talked about the economic crash in Ukraine after communism collapsed.  To be fair, she was never completely penniless, but her household was stuck with no way to be upwardly mobile.  Additionally, she has never yet been to America (yet!) but she wants to.  The point I am making with her still stands.

 

Let's assume that she's being honest here. You cannot take someone's "live webcam chat" (that is dependent on your dollars to attend) as absolute fact. You may say that she has no reason to lie -- yet you cannot also say with certainty that she wasn't. Personally IMO, a sad rags to riches story may bring in the clientele a little faster than someone who has no story. Yes, she live(s/d) in a country where these stories are the norm. She also lives in a culture that still views women as second class citizens with less rights. She also lives in a country where exploitation and the sexual market is problematic... and at best the most profitable for women. *not saying she was a victim of this...just giving my opinion* If this was her only way "out", I find it incredibly sad. All the more to her advantage! For the record, what makes you think she even likes what she's doing? Had she been born and raised in America would she have made the same choices?

But I think that's a contrived example - an anecdote. Most women here with big natural boobs don't want to be pigeon-holed into a career that involves getting nude in front of a camera. How long does that really last? Unless you are Chloe, you get about 10-15 years at your peak. Oh sure, there are people who do it for a lot longer, but do they really make enough to support themselves the way they want to live? And once you chose this sort of career it makes it tough to get a job in the regular world because lots of employers don't want to be associated with porn.

I would wager there are plenty of women out there with big natural boobs who if told that their lifestyle would change (as in more money - a lot more money) would still choose not to take their clothes off in front of a camera. Maybe some would choose it over being homeless and destitute, but I think plenty would say no and continue to be a working class person, over the flash and dazzle of a porn star.

Right on, Feral! Lets also make mention that the real life women posting in this thread are also living in the USA, and don't necessarily have to make those choices to live. There was once a time Pacman was asked if I would be interested in posing for a magazine that focused on big breasts. While somewhat flattered, I flat out refused. My family has been affected negatively with the downturn of the economy.. and we've since clawed our way to a steadier place. With a lot of cutting back, and hard work. If I'm ever forced into making a living by becoming naked in front of a camera....they had better bring a gun - a big gun 

UGH! I digress....the opinion of a model, and an average large chested woman are going to be different. The exception might be if you knew a model on a personal level. But since the only time models post here is in their own thread -- to help further their own goals financially, you get to have us!!! 

Mrs*and that's not so bad, either*Pacman

[Feral]

Let's assume that she's being honest here. You cannot take someone's "live webcam chat" (that is dependent on your dollars to attend) as absolute fact. You may say that she has no reason to lie -- yet you cannot also say with certainty that she wasn't. Personally IMO, a sad rags to riches story may bring in the clientele a little faster than someone who has no story. Yes, she live(s/d) in a country where these stories are the norm. She also lives in a culture that still views women as second class citizens with less rights. She also lives in a country where exploitation and the sexual market is problematic... and at best the most profitable for women. *not saying she was a victim of this...just giving my opinion* If this was her only way "out", I find it incredibly sad. All the more to her advantage! For the record, what makes you think she even likes what she's doing? Had she been born and raised in America would she have made the same choices?

Exactly. You said about what I was thinking but didn't want to delve in to and added a lot more to it.

[BarneyFife]

Why stop at Merilyn would models like Chelsea Charms,SaReena Lee,Traci Topps have been discovered if they were flat chested? Most cities have plenty of pretty girls yet there few who are big busted.In the mainstream would Pam Anderson and now Christine Hendricks be has popuar if they were flat chested? As I mentioned their are disadvantages but the advantages seem to outweigh them.