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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2010, 02:35:25 PM »
Why stop at Merilyn would models like Chelsea Charms,SaReena Lee,Traci Topps have been discovered if they were flat chested? Most cities have plenty of pretty girls yet there few who are big busted.In the mainstream would Pam Anderson and now Christine Hendricks be has popuar if they were flat chested? As I mentioned their are disadvantages but the advantages seem to outweigh them.

Mr. Fife - 4 of the 6 women you mentioned had surgery(ies) specifically to build and enhance their careers in their particular fields. Whether or not they were initially doing it for the love of big boobs, the end result remains the same. May I also remind you that the latter two have careers in film/television, and there are hundreds more women in that field that are equally if not more popular than they ever have or will be. Furthermore, popularity here does not make it real everywhere else. I'm a fan of all these women myself, but I am not misguided into believing that all that glitters is gold.

Model/actress mention aside, please enlighten us with your reasons as to why the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I'm actually curious to see how another large breast loving male's psyche rationalizes that.

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2010, 02:46:36 PM »
Why stop at Merilyn would models like Chelsea Charms,SaReena Lee,Traci Topps have been discovered if they were flat chested? Most cities have plenty of pretty girls yet there few who are big busted.In the mainstream would Pam Anderson and now Christine Hendricks be has popuar if they were flat chested? As I mentioned their are disadvantages but the advantages seem to outweigh them.

When you say: "models like..." and you use Chelsea, Sareena and Traci Topps - all of them fall under big boobed porn star categories. Certainly you don't mean they are as popular, rich or successful  as other models like Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks or Christie Brinkley, right? I mean - I would go so far to say that the only reason the women you mentioned made it as models was because they had surgery and are using their boobs to further their careers - but that doesn't necessarily make them wildly popular and successful. I think mainstream models who make it big with out having big boobs have far more potential then big boob stars - in the real world. Pam Anderson, again surgically enhanced, but she's probably the only one who has crossed over, so to speak into mainstream media (and that is arguable) - but is she anywhere in the realm of well known or respected as Sandra Bullock? Angelina Jolie? Julia Roberts? Big implants definitely pigeon hole a woman into a lifestyle or particular industry. Big natural boobs like Hendricks has most likely kept her from reaching stardom that women like Bullock and Roberts enjoy (assuming they have equal acting talents) and Hendricks is no where near BEA big. If she were, I doubt she'd get the parts she has. No, I take that back - I know she wouldn't.
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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2010, 03:25:38 PM »
Feral, thank you for mentioning Christina Hendricks.  (Indeed, I feel thankful to any mention of Christina in any circumstance just on general principle. ;D )  She reminds us that big bust stars throughout pop culture history were never JUST bosomy, but found some sort of personality within which to sell it.  Women who were only bosomy had rather minor careers, as in the case of one gal known simply as Dagmar back on Fifties television.  Pam Anderson is that rare throwback to the openly guilty pleasure of a Jayne Mansfield or a Mamie Van Doren (or a Loni Anderson  -- what is it about Andersons?), but then you have to ask yourself if post-"Baywatch" efforts like "VIP" and "Stacked" truly stack up.  (I personally appreciated the cheesiness of "VIP" -- and the two other female stars -- but oh well.)  But what Christina has managed is something I'm not sure we've seen since Sophia Loren.  The character of Joan Holloway was originally supposed to be just snippy and control-freakish, but then Christina came swanning in and suddenly Matt Weiner and Company started thinking "Eh, let's tailor the character more to this actress."  Played by Christina, Joan is still tough, even petty, but also resourceful and at times admirable.  Her presence has also helped fans to focus more on the John Slattery character of Roger Sterling, as we get to imagine ourselves as Roger with our own personal Joan.  But Christina's is a very rare and very chemical kind of story, a fluke decision that paid off hugely for everyone -- and let's not gloss over it, she manages it by bringing her body of talent, and not simply her body, period.

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2010, 04:53:26 PM »
Pam Anderson - would she have been the darling of playboy and the world for a number of years without the curves? I'm not a Christina Hendricks fan but plenty of people are and without her features would anyone notice? Whether these models'actresses acquired their gifts by surgery or not they still get plenty of attention mainly because of their features.

Advantages - money, chances to meet more men and the result better chance to marry a man with means.

Disadvantages - all the reasons you mentioned Mrs Pacman 1 mentioned.

You don't have to be an actress or model to get attention. If I have two beautiful women one is so called stacked the other isn't who would get more responses? I mentioned earlier about Alba vs Milani. Since Alba is more known I am sure she would get alot of attention because of it. In this new scenario if both pretty women were unknown who gets more attention? I am betting the stacked woman does.Why more men notice boobs everything being equal. She'll get hit on more but there is more to a woman than big boobs. Personality, interests to name a few so it doesn't mean she'll get the best man but would have more opportunity.
If you ever watch the Discovery channel there have been shows on the science of relationships/dating in regards to humans. The studies do show that men look for a particular  size/hip ratio.The greater the ratio the more men fancy the woman.Same goes for females looking for men to a certain point.

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2010, 05:01:34 PM »
Getting back to the main question there are disadvantages but more advantages for busty women. If your talking attracting more partners yes but if your talking all the negative issues such has not finding the right bras,being staired at, back problems,driving problems etc etc I agree. If having big breasts were such a hinderance then why do so many women want them?

 

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2010, 05:15:50 PM »
Feral, thank you for mentioning Christina Hendricks.  ... But Christina's is a very rare and very chemical kind of story, a fluke decision that paid off hugely for everyone -- and let's not gloss over it, she manages it by bringing her body of talent, and not simply her body, period.

Yes, I agree and thanks for mentioning past actresses from the same "cut" so to speak. Christina was an actress before Mad Men, but the role is definitely her "break out" role and without it, she probably wouldn't get much attention and would most likely be unknown. So in the future, after Mad Men is over, will she go on to be a big movie or tv star? Or will all her roles be the "big boobed woman" roles, and if none of those are available - will she get any work?

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2010, 05:22:29 PM »
My point about Pam was that her boobs got her a bit farther then her talent afforded her, but nowhere near as any of Hollywood's A-list who don't have big natural or big fake boobs.

I mentioned earlier about Alba vs Milani. Since Alba is more known I am sure she would get alot of attention because of it. In this new scenario if both pretty women were unknown who gets more attention? I am betting the stacked woman does.

I agree with you, but I also agree with randomX. Denise has a lot of boob and that is intimidating for some men. To be outed as a boobhound is too much for many to overcome, and some might bow to pressure and go after the Alba looking woman and deny their instincts. Some won't, and will be all over the Denise woman and won't care what anybody thinks. Others will be too intimidated to talk to either one of them, it is an experiment I would like to see the results of, but I think in most bars or clubs - Alba looking woman will get the most hits. I will say that I have heard of big boobed women saying they will cover their boobs or not show as much cleavage as their smaller boobed friends will when going out so as not to appear slutty or so that their friends won't talk badly about them, yet they (A, B, and C cup women) can practically have their boobs falling out, or pushed together as tightly as possible and no one ever criticizes them. It is a double standard. I've never heard of a pretty Alba-ish type woman trying not to look as pretty when going out with her girlfriends.
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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2010, 05:25:23 PM »
I appreciate the many thoughts chiming in, even the ones that border on harsh and presume me to be a drooling, groveling, ignorant sexist pig.
 
So just to play devil's advocate some more: Could you honestly say that Anya's life would have been better off if she were flat-chested and remained penniless in the Ukraine instead of having the life that her chest has brought her?


This is a topic that requires a busty woman's view, which you are not. Instead you're go out of your way to dismiss the opinion of actual busty women to give credence to your IMO warped views on how big breasts effects busty woman.

You neglect people who don't find bust size of our size preference attractive despite the fact that those people do exist and as many busty women will tell you, they don't shy from spewing their vitriol. You compare being busty to an athletic build, which is an apple to oranges comparison considering athletic people generally don't have to worry about clothing, or there muscle popping out of the clothes, like a busty woman has to worry her bra snapping or breast popping loose. You compare being busty to have a pretty face, again neglecting the fact that people face aren't considered a sexualized feature, therefore they don't have to deal with the lewdness that comes with being busty, in fact most women  people actually like eye-contact because it means that you're paying attention person and not objectifying them, like staring at their breasts.

You twist Nora Ephron's passage about her issues with being flat-chested as some compliment to busty women despite the fact there no words of compliment about being busty and her critique is very much a condemnation about the ridiculous standards society hold for women and the pressure it puts on women like her. I'm not sure whether whether you've read most of Nora Ephron works and interviews but she sound like she would be very against people with your mindset

Now on to Merilyn Sakova, why you compare a extraordinary tale to most busty women is beyond me, and why you'd think most busty women or women in general consider the sex industry as "making" or "a wonderful life" is way beyond me. The way you describe  Merilyn Sakova situation, makes it seem her breasts serve as nothing more than a meal ticket. What's even worse is that you talk about her breasts as if the wasn't through her own talant, decision, choices, contacts, hardwork, slim build, curvy body, beautiful face and a whole host of decisions and features that factored in her success. It's not as easy as "what if you took out the breasts"- you'd just has a different person.

Speaking of taking out the breasts, as said by kithara it is not min and max. Big breasted women dissatisfied with the bra-size often claim their breasts are "too big", flat-chested women dissatisfied with their bra size complain about not having breasts. Neither side is looks for the complete opposite but rather middle ground ie an average size bust.


Look I no it's not your intention to come off as being sexist or Misogynistic but all of your post are unfortunately paint that picture. I think you really need to consider the opinions of all busty and not just one's working in the sex industry

Getting back to the main question there are disadvantages but more advantages for busty women. If your talking attracting more partners yes but if your talking all the negative issues such has not finding the right bras,being staired at, back problems,driving problems etc etc I agree. If having big breasts were such a hinderance then why do so many women want them?

 
Because we live in a still male- dominated society where women are judge more heavy on the looks than males. They want because society has ingrained in them the belief that if you're what mainstream society thinks is attractive (slim busty) you'll get ahead in life, maybe find a nice boyfriend, and live happily ever after . It's all about the hustle.


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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2010, 06:52:50 PM »
I know this is repetitive, but I want to throw in my 2cents too!

bignats and barneyfife, the point you are trying to make is that a very very small percentage of women with large breasts who get into modelling live charmed lives. Perhaps. But as feral explained, 15 years (tops) down the road, they'll lose their bodies and their meal tickets. No one will want to hire them with "nude model" as the primary resume bullet point. Meanwhile, people will see pictures and assume terrible things (ie: she's loose). She's going to get a reputation. She'll have relationship problems. she might have one or two things going for her from a bigger rack, but to say her life is that much better is truly ignorant. We're trying to debate real life women, not 1 out of every million women who build a career on their appearance.

gmant and feral, great point about body image. We're never happy with how we look. It has so much to do with the media hounding us to be size 2's and photos so photoshopped that there is no way to tell what real women look like.

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2010, 06:53:09 PM »
I wonder in what society women are not judged solely on looks at least initially? You can be a very attractive woman yet if you have a bitchy attitude that will deter many men. Same goes for practically any man or woman on attitude. I will say even if a person has a bitchy attitude there are those of the opposite sex that think they can be changed and will take that chance. Boobs, being pretty are great but if you want a relationship to last personality, interests etc have to match to a degree.

At the same time women are judged on looks more than men women also judge men on what they do and how much they make.It isn't the only factor but a huge part if a woman wants to pursue a relationship with a man. Really we could open a can of worms on no one has a charmed life but we do know that certain males and females have an advantage over others in society.

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2010, 07:48:14 PM »
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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2010, 07:51:56 PM »
Barney - That's exactly what we've all been saying. There are some big breasted women that may lead what is referred to as a charmed life. Out of that vastly small percentage, the majority most likely work in the sex industry or use them as a means to attract wealth.

Making a generalized blanket statement that we all lead charmed lives, and then to actually believe we do - in spite of the fact that most of the posts in this thread suggest otherwise is unrealistic.  :P

A heartfelt thanks goes out to all the men who took the time to read/respond to the posts in this thread, understanding what it is we go through, and defending what you all know is the truth. Even if it was for just a minute. And you too, Munch.

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2010, 09:24:55 PM »
God lord I don't sign my wife out before I post ONE time and I'll never hear the end of it.

And by the way, this conversation is dumb because we should be talking about how dudes with busty S/O's REALLY lead a charmed life.
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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2010, 09:50:09 PM »
Mrs Pacman1, well I agree with you you can't generalize anything since there are people in different categories and variables involved. Saying all big breasted women lead charmed lives isn't correct just like all short people live terrible lives because their always trying to prove themselves compared to a tall person who is powerful and has a presence. I am sure there are tall people that hate being tall.

I guess my point is at least in my opinion what I have seen is a majority of big breasted women do have an advantage.Now the percent could be 75 could be 60 but it is greater than 50% in my opinion. I mentioned that the show on Discovery dicussing what attracts the opposite sex a certain hip/beast ratio that applies not only in the teens,20's,30's but all ages not just a certain age.

 

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Re: Do Big-Breasted Women Lead a Charmed Life?
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2010, 10:37:14 PM »
A heartfelt thanks goes out to all the men who took the time to read/respond to the posts in this thread, understanding what it is we go through, and defending what you all know is the truth. Even if it was for just a minute. And you too, Munch.

I'm not sure I actually contributed anything to this thread, positively or negatively ... mostly I added distractions ...

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