[Margaret]

I think this is probably in Italy maybe Lake Como - but what size is this young lady?

Most likely in the 36-38 back, and possibly a KK cup.

[Hiram]

Most likely in the 36-38 back, and possibly a KK cup.

Thanks - I had no idea with this one.

Is there a common, or average under bust size.  I kinda guess there won't be - but I ask as; I was watching a Ukrainian woman who blogs on YouTube.  In one of her latest vids she randomly  measured her waist. It was 63cm, or 24 Inches in real money.  I thought goodness that is tiny.  Her under bust can't be more than 26 inches.

https://youtu.be/--JGfQX7D-c?t=378

[Margaret]

Most likely in the 36-38 back, and possibly a KK cup.

Thanks - I had no idea with this one.

Is there a common, or average under bust size.  I kinda guess there won't be - but I ask as; I was watching a Ukrainian woman who blogs on YouTube.  In one of her latest vids she randomly  measured her waist. It was 63cm, or 24 Inches in real money.  I thought goodness that is tiny.  Her under bust can't be more than 26 inches.

https://youtu.be/--JGfQX7D-c?t=378

I don’t think there’s been any reliable studies done on average bra sizes. If you search on Google, you’ll get a plethora of embarrassingly bad articles saying things like “average bra size increases to a whopping 36DD”, or some other such dreadful nonsense.

If I was to guess, I’d say the average (UK) bra size is somewhere around 32-34 D-F. But I would not be surprised if it was something like 28-30G.

The problem with it is twofold:

- firstly, most women are wearing the wrong bra size (probably a 34 or 36D). This is a huge problem that could be resolved with education in schools.

And

- no two women are the same. It’s not like average height or weight. You could be a 32 back and a J cup, or a 32 back and a C cup. You could be a 28 back and a D or a 28 back and a K.

I suppose there probably is an average underbust size - but it’s a useless measurement on its own. I have a friend who is a 32FF (same as me) but she’s almost 6” taller than me, and I have wider hips. Her boobs *look* bigger than mine, but we wear the exact same bra size. It’s because she’s taller, with an overall slimmer frame - and therefore she seems to have more “projection”. But I could definitely wear one of her bras with no issues.

[Hiram]

I really appreciate your post.  The more I seem to find out about women and their clothing the more interesting it is.

I don’t think there’s been any reliable studies done on average bra sizes.

I'm surprised that the manufacturers haven't done any research on this. (or maybe they have) Bearing in mind they're sell more of the average size than any other.

If I was to guess, I’d say the average (UK) bra size is somewhere around 32-34 D-F. But I would not be surprised if it was something like 28-30G.

From my own anecdotal observations I'd agree on those sizing. 

firstly, most women are wearing the wrong bra size (probably a 34 or 36D). This is a huge problem that could be resolved with education in schools.

I think that is a good idea - at least some basic concepts of how to size a bra.  I still find it odd that at point-of-sale there isn't more information. 

It’s not like average height or weight. You could be a 32 back and a J cup, or a 32 back and a C cup. You could be a 28 back and a D or a 28 back and a K.

I'd like to see a reclassification; where the cup size is expressed in volume and not distance.  I know it'll never happen - but I'd like to think a 28/300cc would make more sense than 28DD.  In the same way that implants are categorised in volume.

[Margaret]

I really appreciate your post.  The more I seem to find out about women and their clothing the more interesting it is.

I don’t think there’s been any reliable studies done on average bra sizes.

I'm surprised that the manufacturers haven't done any research on this. (or maybe they have) Bearing in mind they're sell more of the average size than any other.

If I was to guess, I’d say the average (UK) bra size is somewhere around 32-34 D-F. But I would not be surprised if it was something like 28-30G.

From my own anecdotal observations I'd agree on those sizing. 

firstly, most women are wearing the wrong bra size (probably a 34 or 36D). This is a huge problem that could be resolved with education in schools.

I think that is a good idea - at least some basic concepts of how to size a bra.  I still find it odd that at point-of-sale there isn't more information. 

It’s not like average height or weight. You could be a 32 back and a J cup, or a 32 back and a C cup. You could be a 28 back and a D or a 28 back and a K.

I'd like to see a reclassification; where the cup size is expressed in volume and not distance.  I know it'll never happen - but I'd like to think a 28/300cc would make more sense than 28DD.  In the same way that implants are categorised in volume.

I’m fairly sure there is research carried out - most commercial entities would be insane not to do basic market research, and act upon which sizes are their best-sellers (or try to understand why certain sizes don’t sell as much etc). I’ve participated in university research (a long time ago) which was a questionnaire about bra sizes/fit/purchasing habits etc. I don’t know what the outcome of it was though. And, I’ve participated in research with bra companies based in London - which generally took the form of inviting a lot of women of diffeeent shapes and sizes to try on lots of different bras, so that the companies could perfect the design templates across a range. It’s very much cat-and-mouse - because of the never-ending variances in the shapes and sizes of women.

I’d love to see some proper research carried out though - like a bra size census. It would put paid to the nonsense about 36DD (or whatever) being the “average” size.

I admire your idea about volume - but the other thing not being taken into account is shape and set. Some women have teardrop shaped boobs, some have rounded boobs, some women’s boobs pull west-east, some sit low, some sit high. Some are oddly-shaped. Volume is only part of the many issues with bra sizing/fitting.

The closest thing I can think of is being fitted for contact lenses - you can just about get the “power” of the lens correct through vision testing, but the shape of eyeballs vary from person to person, and until you can create a lens that adapts dynamically to the shape of an eyeball, you have to go with set spherical sizes and pick the closest one.

I remember years ago (around 2000) there was a documentary on UK television where two engineers tried to design the perfect bra - they worked with a bra model to do all manner of testing with her (plaster casts of her boobs, 3D modelling, computer-assisted design etc) and they created a bra called the Bioform (I think it was made by Charnos, a bra company that I liked when I was younger). I bought one out of curiosity, but it wasn’t the most comfortable of bras - it had plastic contour inserts and was very firm and rigid. It did a nice job with shape and projection, but it was like wearing a chest plate. Nice looking, but it didn’t catch on. I’m sure the documentary will be somewhere on YouTube - or there will be links to read about it if you search for “Charnos Bioform bra” on Google.

[Hiram]

I’d love to see some proper research carried out though - like a bra size census.

How many surveys have measured the average man's penis.  But nothing on women's boobs - kinda odd I feel. 

In the research you participated in - they didn't seem to measure anyone.  Understandably quite difficult to do and a little sensitivity to get.  But you'd have though someone would have a go.  It wouldn't surprise me if there is data, but in the most unlikely place.  NHS mammogram data - or airport body scans. 

I admire your idea about volume - but the other thing not being taken into account is shape and set.

My thinking about volume is based on a breast changing shape as it experiences gravity or momentum.  A breast changes shape when a women is either; laying down or leaning forward.  But, a breast maintains its volume in both cases. It is possibly a more of a constant measurement of a breast than a woman's overall projection. 

The closest thing I can think of is being fitted for con tact lenses - you can just about get the “power” of the lens correct through vision testing, but the shape of eyeballs vary from person to person,

That is a interesting analogy - I guess shoes are another.  People have different shaped feet but I can't remember the last time I had my feet measured correctly.   

I remember years ago (around 2000) there was a documentary on UK television where two engineers tried to design the perfect bra

I will look that up in a minute.  I do have a recollection of it.

3D modelling, computer-assisted design etc) and they created a bra called the Bioform

It's going to be AI now I guess - I may ask ChatGPT about how it'll design a bra - could be interesting.

Charnos Bioform bra” on Google.

Intresting -- https://museumofdesigninplastics.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-bioform-bra.html

[Scarface]

What size would you say Wendy is?

Also, her left breast looks a bit bigger. I'm thinking she would want a cup that fits her smaller right breast perfectly and have some overflow in the left cup, rather than having perfect fit on the larger left side and a looser fitting right cup. Would that be the way to go?

[Margaret]

What size would you say Wendy is?

Also, her left breast looks a bit bigger. I'm thinking she would want a cup that fits her smaller right breast perfectly and have some overflow in the left cup, rather than having perfect fit on the larger left side and a looser fitting right cup. Would that be the way to go?

I think she’s probably something like a 30/32HH - but possibly a 30J - I saw a video of her trying on bras where she says she’s a 30J (I think that’s what she said), but I’m not convinced - the bra looked too loose on her (meaning the cup size was probably one size too big). There’s a lot of ‘emphasis’ going on with her (pushing her boobs up in bras/bikinis), so if there was ever a naked pic, I think you’d be surprised to see that her boobs aren’t as huge as you think they are. However. She’s a really beautiful woman - does she still model?

For women with one boob smaller than the other, it’s always better to go with a cup size that fits the bigger boob and use padding if the gap is significant. There’s lots of other things you can do in terms of the shoulder straps etc, but the basic principle is you can always add to the cup, but you can’t make your boobs smaller without crushing them and ending up with overspill.

[Hiram]

I presume this isn't everyday wear.  I think the suspenders are connected to the basque?  But what about the models bust - any guesses?  It is a tricky one as you can't really see how broad her back is.  I'd go for a 34G.

[Margaret]

I presume this isn't everyday wear.  I think the suspenders are connected to the basque?  But what about the models bust - any guesses?  It is a tricky one as you can't really see how broad her back is.  I'd go for a 34G.

Yeah, this is very much bedroom wear. Not exactly something you could wear a top and skirt over, or a dress. Still, it’s cute. In my experience, you have these things on for about 15-20mins. If you’re under the influence of alcohol, and fall asleep with it on, you end up with weal marks on your shoulders for days.

34G is possible, but possibly a bit big overall. The slanted angle doesn’t help. I’d be thinking more like 30/32FF maybe.

These things rarely get made in sensible sizes though - I’ve seen them sized as XS, S, M, L. Or 1X, 3X, “fits size 12-16” (they never, ever fit). They also often come in “bra” sizes like 34D. Usually made by companies like La Senza or Lovehoney.

[Scarface]

This is the closest Wendy got to fully topless from about 10 years ago. She says she's a 30JJ.
She started modelling again this month on OnlyFans.

[Margaret]

This is the closest Wendy got to fully topless from about 10 years ago. She says she's a 30JJ.
She started modelling again this month on OnlyFans.

Yeah. 30JJ wouldn’t be impossible - I’d certainly expect that kind of roundness/fullness - but I just wonder if she needs a slightly smaller cup.

For example, this is what a 30H looks like (so, I’d expect her to be a cup size bigger).

[Scarface]

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Wendy said she was measured as a 30JJ, but she likes to wear a 32J. Would that be why she seems to be overflowing in a lot of her bra pictures?

[Margaret]

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Wendy said she was measured as a 30JJ, but she likes to wear a 32J. Would that be why she seems to be overflowing in a lot of her bra pictures?

I suspect it’s a mixture of poor bra measuring/fitting, comfort and personal choice.

Poor bra measuring/fitting is the obvious one for me - most people think their measurement is their bra size. It rarely is. It usually requires trying a few bras out to find out which size (or which closest size) works best.

As for comfort - so many women make the mistake of thinking because a bra *doesn’t* feel tight and restrictive (ie. It’s nice and comfy) that the bra is the correct size/fit. Bras (especially back bands) are meant to be very snug and not loose - the cups are not meant to be loose and bouncy. A properly-fitted bra should feel light a tight hug around your body. The back band does all the hard work. I see women all the time with either loose back bands or cups one size too big, because “it feels nice on”. This is what I see when I see Wendy’s video trying on bras.

Lastly - and this is the part you can’t account for - models (especially porn/glamour models) tend to like to wear bras that push their boobs up and out, or, wear bras that are either too small or ill-fitting, because it makes their boobs look bigger and more prominent. It’s why when you see some of these women brakes, their boobs don’t look as big, or they sag a little, or they’re not perfect spheres.

I’d love to bra fit someone like Wendy - I guarantee she would look different (better!), and she would prefer the bras I fitted her for.

[solvegas]

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Wendy said she was measured as a 30JJ, but she likes to wear a 32J. Would that be why she seems to be overflowing in a lot of her bra pictures?

I suspect it’s a mixture of poor bra measuring/fitting, comfort and personal choice.

Poor bra measuring/fitting is the obvious one for me - most people think their measurement is their bra size. It rarely is. It usually requires trying a few bras out to find out which size (or which closest size) works best.

As for comfort - so many women make the mistake of thinking because a bra *doesn’t* feel tight and restrictive (ie. It’s nice and comfy) that the bra is the correct size/fit. Bras (especially back bands) are meant to be very snug and not loose - the cups are not meant to be loose and bouncy. A properly-fitted bra should feel light a tight hug around your body. The back band does all the hard work. I see women all the time with either loose back bands or cups one size too big, because “it feels nice on”. This is what I see when I see Wendy’s video trying on bras.

Lastly - and this is the part you can’t account for - models (especially porn/glamour models) tend to like to wear bras that push their boobs up and out, or, wear bras that are either too small or ill-fitting, because it makes their boobs look bigger and more prominent. It’s why when you see some of these women brakes, their boobs don’t look as big, or they sag a little, or they’re not perfect spheres.

I’d love to bra fit someone like Wendy - I guarantee she would look different (better!), and she would prefer the bras I fitted her for.

Personally, I find it hot when a lovely woman such as yourself would love to fit a gorgeous woman like Wendy.