[Connoisseur]

Monique,

Your point -- about fans of small breasts not needing specialty magazines because such breasts are ubiquitous – is well taken.  I can't help but believe, however, that if all men could vote on the ideal breast measurement for women, the result would exceed the current average cup size.

There might be another factor that might lead you to underestimate the number of admirers of large breasts – the reticent behavior of many breast men.  When I, for example, see a huge-breasted women, I don't hoot.  I don't whistle.  I don't ever make the slightest remark about or reference to her breasts.  I don't react to them in any noticeable way.   Yes, I do stare at them, but only when it appears that no one will notice me doing so.  Yes, I do experience involuntary responses – e.g. elevated pulse, respiration rate, arousal, dry mouth.  But when I must speak to such a woman, I, through a Herculean effort of will, look her straight in the eye and pretend that her breasts don't exist.  

   

[cynic]

re: "the reticent behavior of many breast men"

Yes, this is my conundrum as well.  I only like LARGE breasts but if I see a pair I get very quiet and withdrawn.  Partially out of POLITENESS to the woman so she doesn't feel ogled & objectified.  Also partially because all the blood in my body is rushing down to my one-eyed-wonder-worm !!    

[Janus]

 In every other nation in the world, women use this to empower themselves. It's only here where women are systematically taught to be ashamed of themselves that it happens. Men treat women like pieces of meat? Right, and women don't hire Chippendale's dancer's...feminism and the religious right have a LOT to answer for.

  Now, is it me or does BP remind me of the guy who tried to teach Johnny Bravo about sensitivity?

  Oh yeah, and people who admonish on the internet should just stick to reading Ann Landers and thumb their nose at people in public, oh that's right, they don't care for being talked down to either. It's easier to do so when you have a computer screen to hide behind.

J- Wondering how long it takes college [censored] to stop being causeheads. "Never?" Oh, well...pass me my squirrely rifle.  

[Monique]

Point taken Connoiseur.  You are probably right that lovers of large breasts outwiegh those who prefer smaller ones.  I guess my point was mainly that being here, I think, it is easy to lose sight of the fact that there are other men and women who dont see things in quite the same light.  Anyway, that was all.  

[Connoisseur]

Cynic wrote:

"I get very quiet…so she doesn't feel ogled & objectified."

I don't think that that's what women don't like.  I believe that women actually enjoy being ogled and objectified.  [Of course, they also want to be valued in other ways as well.]

What women don't like is to be in the uncomfortable position of having to reject an unappealing ogler whose reaction to such might at best involve only hurt feeling and at worst be confrontational, abusive, or even violent.

Suppose that a woman could -- in the privacy of her own home, anonymously, and without the slightest risk of discovery, stigma, or guilt -- display her live image to a crowd of college men on the other side of the planet in, say, New Zealand.  Suppose further that she could obtain immediate feedback from them on her attractiveness -- a number from 0 to 100 and a live view of the appreciative crowd.  I believe that most attractive women – under such conditions of perfect safety – would (especially in moments of flagging self confidence) enjoy being ogled, objectified, and lusted after by such distant men.

This view stems from my belief that for every older woman it's a sad moment in her life when she comes to realize that no man would ever again care to ogle or objectify her.

But, not being a woman, I can only speculate.
       

[**DONOTDELETE**]

In regards to the poor use of busty women on TV, I agree.  However, two examples that comes to mind where they [the producers] broke away from the busty=prostitute mentality.  Both of them from Star Trek.

The first is Voyager, and the actress/character is Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine).  Yes, she was brought in, at least partly, as eye candy.  However, it was her acting that really impressed me.

On the new Enterprise series, Joline Blaloch a.k.a. T'Pol is the Vulcan 'chaperone' that portrays the arrogant Vulcan quite admirably.

I won't ramble on about specific examples (only a true Trekkie would appreciate those ramblings).  Granted, these are not perfect examples - I've not seen why both characters have worn what uniforms they wear (beyond the writer's desires), but the fact that they're actually portraying intelligent characters and not a prositute is a leap forward, imho.  

[Candye Man]

Jeri Ryan was given the opportunity to act on that show?  
 
Seriously...Irish Girl, I'm glad you developed a thicker skin.  That's probably the healthier way to deal with it, rather than running to a plastic surgeon.  (Besides, I imagine the best revenge for catty comments is to stick your chest out and make a few of your own...)
 
Connoisseur, your sister was only a C cup, and she got a reduction?  Is that what we've come to in our waif-bodied/flat-chested-worshiping society?  OTOH, I applaud your comment about how you handle meeting a busty woman.  That's the way a gentleman should behave.  Makes me sick when I see guys treat women with that hooting, cat-calling "construction worker" behavior.  
 
 

[Connoisseur]

Irish Girl wrote:

I went through hell, growing up as well endowed teenager.

Monique wrote:

Growing up large busted is very difficult.


I'm curious.  With which of the following conditions do you believe that an adolescent girl would have the greatest difficulty coping:

1) being extremely tall
2) being extremely fat
3) being extremely busty
4) being extremely beautiful
5) being extremely brainy

Please answer by ranking these conditions in order of estimated difficulty.

   

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Connoisseur,

You probably could have started a whole new topic with this one.  

[Tux]

Sort of "Goldielocks and the 3 bears" body image thing this nation has.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Connoisseur.....I will answer your poll. These are just my opinion.
In order from 1 to 5 (1 being the worst)

1) Being extremely fat.
2) Being extremely tall.
3) Being extremely busty.
4) Being extremely beautiful.
5) Being extremely brainy.

Being extremely brainy shouldn't be a problem at all. I would think that as long as you could relate to everyone else on a personal level, it would only be an asset. (Wish I had such problems)  

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I have only ever dated huge breasted women, for the pure fact that they are the only women I find sexually atractive. I have never been out with a woman under an F cup, so I feel I have had a lot of experience of the troubles huge breasted women have.

The first thing is the physical pain/discomfort. The only women that I have known that have had discomfort have been wearing the wrong sized bra, the usual of too high back measurement, and too low cup size. I went out with a girl who wore a 36B cup, I managed to pursuade her to get fitted properly and she was really a 34FF cup.

Of the women I know that have wanted breast reduction surgery (currently 2 of my female friends seriously want a reduction. One is a 34J cup, the other is a 36HH cup) all of them have stated psycological reasons. The main one being complete tossers commenting on their size.

I was out with my friend with the 34Jcup breasts the other week, and when we came out of the pub some **92** wanker goes 'bloody hell look at the size of those'. Now, if he was on his own, I would have kicked 10 tonnes of shit out of him, but he had 10 mates with him so I thought I'd better leave it.

I think this annoyed me as much as her. I love women with huge breasts, and would never dream of making a comment like that. I can understand the reason why they would start to hate their breasts. But I don't think that reduction is the answer. To me, it is the same as being bullied in school. The victim of the bullying blames themselves, and believes that it is a problem with them. Whereas it is a problem with the bullies. It comes down to men who do not respect women. They are the problem, and if I had my way they would be strung up by their testicles in public and everyone can laugh at them ;-)

The question should be, why do some men feel the need to shout out comments to busty women?? Have any of the men on this board done this? If so, WHY??

I feel a lot of it comes from men's general insecurity around women, especially the more sexual women. And breasts are very sexual things, forget about the breatfeeding thing, flat chested women can breast feed. All through history women have been put down. Why is this? I feel its because we men, deep down realise that women hold the real power. The power of sex. We want it and can only get it when they give it to us. Hence the bully syndrone, men's insecurity around women. And what man doesn't go weak at the knees around an attractive woman.

Right, well thats my rant done. If you know any guys who shout out shite at huge breasted women, please get them to stop it, their ruining the lives of huge breasted women and the guys who really love them.

cheers
BGB

[Connoisseur]

bgb wrote:

"I feel a lot of it comes from men's general insecurity around women, especially the more sexual women. And breasts are very sexual things, forget about the breatfeeding thing, flat chested women can breast feed. All through history women have been put down. Why is this? I feel its because we men, deep down realise that women hold the real power. The power of sex. We want it and can only get it when they give it to us. Hence the bully syndrone, men's insecurity around women. And what man doesn't go weak at the knees around an attractive woman."


Perhaps.  I suspect, however, that the same sort of guy who would make rude comments about a woman's breasts would make similar comments about any sufficiently conspicuous abnormality be it weight, height, beauty, or hair length.

I further suspect that those who shout these sorts of remarks at large-breasted women are almost certainly not breast men.   Speaking for myself, the moment of sighting such a woman is akin to a religious experience.   Every neuron in my head suddenly focuses on the task of getting to know her.  As making a rude and irritating comment would defeat my purpose, I don't for an instant consider doing so.

On a related subject, I think that one of the great tragedies of life is that the men who are most affected by a particular aspect of a woman's beauty – visibly quivering  and tongue tied – are the ones who, as a consequence, she will find least attractive.  How many gorgeous women have married men who scarcely notice their beauty, or buxom women have wound up with men thoroughly insensitive to the charms of large breasts?
   

[Monique]

I would list them as such:
1.fat
2.tall
3.busty
4.brainy
5.beautiful

Being brainy doesnt mean you get any more dates than anyone else and often you end up with less of them.  It seems to me that young men are as intimidated by a brainy woman as they are by a busty one.  At least young inexperienced men anyway.  

[pantherbreast]

I wish I knew where most of you guys were at, I see so few girls that are what I would call..."very busty" (beyond DD) around here. I mean, they are around, but many of them are very large. And though I have no problems with BBW (big beautiful women), I rarely find them sexually attrative.

I will admit though, the thought of talking to a busty woman is a intimidating one to me, not because of her but because of me. My eyes have tendency to wander to what they like to look at, as I'm sure most of yours do, especially when it's large breasts.

 I fear being misunderstood as a leering pervert, because my eyes have a mind of their own. I may be very interested in the woman but if she thinks I'm just out for her boobs, then I'm in trouble.

Just my two cents