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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2002, 07:10:40 PM »
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Re: Coloring example
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2002, 09:20:32 PM »
Hey could you delete the display and just leave the photo as an attachment? It's so wide that it messes with the display of the text in the forum and I have to scroll side to side to read each line.

Looks nice though. There's no shading at all is there? It's just flat colors? Or is the shading so subtle my poor art-illiterate eyes can't pick it out? I'm not saying that as a criticism by the way, just that so many times I see the shading do weird things to art and I can't help but wonder if the image wouldn't have looked better without shading. Since this one doesn't seem to have any, it made me quite curious about that old suspicion of mine.
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Re: Coloring example
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2002, 11:03:16 AM »
I deleted my previous post. I've also changed the picture for a version with better antialasing.

The gif attached to this post is the result after cleaning, simplifying and coloration, made from a scan of the character Nina, featured in a comic together with Arne Anka by Alexander Barks (Charlie Christensen). After my editing, I think Leopatra is a more fitting name. Any comments on the result? Anyone here who want to draw, or already have drawn, any sketches of any characters in a similar style, who would like me to clean and colorize them?

Some black shade is combined with the black contours, as in the original black and white drawing. The fill colors are without shading.

Apart from this coloring method, I'm also interested if anyone has made a finished grayscale picture with gentle shading, that you would like to have colorized. I would like to try my mouse on something similar to Tom Derenick's coloration at
http://www.pmkane.com/tomderenick/Color%20Gallery.html
later, if I get the hang of it, the goal would be to move on to something like in his gallery at
http://www.pmkane.com/tomderenick/Gallery17.html

I'm also fond of the coloration of Blue Eyes, both the filled way it's made at
http://www.satsuki.sakura.ne.jp/~d-lovers/nishimaki/game/6/6-1.jpg
and the toned way at
http://www.satsuki.sakura.ne.jp/~d-lovers/nishimaki/gallery/8.jpg  
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ID of artist?
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2002, 03:37:33 PM »
In 1998 I downloaded this picture, see the attached jpg, but I don't remember where I found it, maybe it was from the BEA? I don't know who the artist is, but I guess the heart with the H is the artist's logo? Anyone know who made it? I'd love to see more like this!  
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Re: ID of artist?
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2002, 04:25:15 PM »
That picture has been floating around for quite a while - it's like has never been seen before or since...

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Re: ID of artist?
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2002, 10:07:29 PM »
"H"  is Doug Holverson.  You can visit his site here:  http://showcase.netins.net/web/flexia/index1.html .  I don't know how much new work he's been doing in the last couple years...  

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Re: ID of artist?
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2002, 11:43:31 PM »
Yup that's Holverston's. He posted a picture of Flexia in the User Gallery just a little while ago celebrating her anniversary. I suspect he lurks here from time to time.
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Re: ID of artist?
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2002, 05:08:12 AM »
Thanks Old_Chestnut!

One of Doug's colored pictures (the one that can be seen here http://showcase.netins.net/web/flexia/isod2nd2.html ) is also one of my all time favorites.

I remember visiting his site a few years back. All the hair styles and different characters are impressive.

BTW, here is an other question, anyone know what happened to Jean Paul's site girl-e-toons.com aka getgirls.nu?  
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Shading
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2002, 06:04:25 AM »
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...so many times I see the shading do weird things to art and I can't help but wonder if the image wouldn't have looked better without shading.




I like both simplistic coloring and the ones with color gradients. See this drawing by Tommie 'Peregrin' Leijs, I think the color gradients in this image are fantastic and really enhance the image. Don't you agree?
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/t/o/tommie/kim.jpg.html
 
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Re: Shading
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2002, 05:26:35 PM »
Yes they do, very much. But there are also a lot of times where I see complicated shading ruin the image. For example, the comic Fur Will Fly. The art is quite good, but if you look at the older stuff, the shading makes it look off. When the artist swapped to a simpler form of shading suddenly everyone commented on it. Now they've really simplified the shading and are just using flat colors and it looks better still. It ends up depending on the style and the individual artist's skills I guess.

Here's some examples (I don't want to make anyone think I dislike the strip, or have anything against the art, it's just that some of the shading techniques were poorer than the coloring and the line art).

Shading hurting perfectly good line art: http://furwillfly.keenspace.com/d/20010910.html

Here's the inker is doing better, but it's still off:
http://furwillfly.keenspace.com/d/20020515.html

Here's the line artist doing the shading (much better) instead of the usual inker:
http://furwillfly.keenspace.com/d/20020612.html

The most recent stuff has almost no shading at all (I can't see any at least) and it looks best of all. I couldn't find the shots I wanted, where the inker used shading to add details that weren't in the line art. Like cheekbones and so on. Really hurt the image imho. That's just one strip, not the worst I've seen, just one where I can get many versions of the shading style changing easily.

I'm not opposed to shading, it's just that it seems that very often flat coloring works just fine. But so many people try to add shading that I rarely get to see flat colors. So I uend up wondering if maybe I'm in the minority liking flat colors.

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Re: Shading
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2002, 07:58:31 PM »
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It ends up depending on the style and the individual artist's skills I guess.


Yes definately, plus the tools used and how much time that is put into it.

The worst example looks like a fixed size, monotonous airbrush tool in software, using a mouse and without masking neighboring fill areas and sometimes darken or lighten in a way that screws too much with the saturation. I also see plenty of gradient fill, but I think that it can usually look ok, as long as it is not overused.

Some of the better shadings I've seen are made with either a pressure sensitive graphic tablet, such as the ones from wacom, instead of a mouse when drawing the shading, or with scanned greyscale images and layers to copy the shading drawn on paper and using that to transform into color shading.

In reply to:

So I uend up wondering if maybe I'm in the minority liking flat colors.


I think one of the reasons why so many cartoonists try using shading is because they get inspired by the expertly colored comicbooks that are on the shelves at every grocery store and magazine shop nowdays, but there are probably many more reasons.

If you want to continue the discussion about shading, it might be appropriate to do so at the Tips & Techniques forum, but I think I understand your point of view now, and I agree with it, so maybe we should leave it for now and continue discussing BE comics, although I hope that it's OK with AlottaFagina if we also discuss other big bust comics and drawings here?
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Re: Be Comics...Where Hast They Gone?
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2002, 05:08:52 PM »

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Re: Shading
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2002, 11:09:46 AM »
Yup! Ive had my wacom tablet only a few months and I am really sold on them!! You can use the pen in airbrush setting and really get a nice result.. Much better control than a mouse.. cheers PE