[Angelus]

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CrazyFrankie said:
gmantwo your questions are right on, what is a greater threat in our schools? My mother and I work in the education field and violence is what concerns me more in schools then worrying about someone who shows her boobs. I worry everyday that my niece and nephew, I'm helping raising them, whenever they go to school I pray that they are safe and that they do well in school. I don't get why parents are making a big deal about someone who used to work in the adult industry, instead of violence and bullying which should be dealt with and addressed more in public schools. Pure paranoia!

Violence in schools is student-on-student, something completely different than the people who you are relying on to guide, teach, and inspire your offspring.

Again, it's an oranges to apples comparison.  

I understand this can be seen as a witchhunt, but I also understand where the parents are coming from.  Crystal still keeping her site up and accepting memberships shows extremely bad judgment for someone who wants to work with young people.

[Angelus]

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gmantwo said:
Not sure if she's a union member, but there's no way they can fire her for doing something that is perfectly legal. I'm surprised someone who frequents this site finds that a like-minded person would be unfit to work with youth. Why, exactly? So she showed her boobs on video and the internet; why is that grounds for dismissal? Why is our society so hung up on sex and nudity? Would she be in the same trouble if she had done horror films which depicted torture and violence? Doubt it--but which is the greater threat to our schools?

She's probably not union, but teacher contracts have morality clauses.  

People who work in educational facilities have to hold themselves to higher moral standards than Joe Sixpack.  It's always been that way.

[TheZookie007]

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Angelus:  I can see that you're very passionate about this issue.  But stop acting like Crystal is an innocent angel.  If Crystal was in any other line of work, I could see the issue and I'd probably be on your side.  But she is working with other people's offspring in an educational setting.  And people like that are held at a higher accountability, like it or not.

Comparing your music teacher being a roadie for the Grateful Dead to this is apples and oranges.  Being a roadie - especially when you're a music teacher - gives you real life applications to being a music teacher.

It also probably exposed him to sex, drugs and rock-and-roll. Only the last of those three is a "real life application" for being a music teacher. It's not apples to oranges.

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To be honest, if I was a parent, and for all you know, I might be - I would feel very uncomfortable with an honest to god adult entertainer working closely with my offspring.

How old are these k_ds, anyway? Did anyone ever complain that she was doing her work in a less-than-optimal way before she was outed? From the testimony in that article, the answer is no; her past has not negatively impacted her ability to do her appointed job.

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Granted, what Crystal's done is very tame as opposed to, say Ava Devine - but the parents of the offspring involved aren't going to research her body of work to see what the deal is.

Well, SOMEONE obviously did the research, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The fact that her site is up is no guarantee that she is still providing content for it -- look at the many many SCORE websites for women whose careers have long since ended as examples. And do you not remember the story of the Playmate who was a high schooler's prom date a few years ago? What's the diff, really?

Yes, I'm pretty passionate about this, because I thought that this country was one that was all about giving people second chances. What great crime did Crystal actually commit that these people are hounding her out of town?

[Angelus]

Zookie, before I even start, you may want to understand something: New Jersey is not some bible belt state.  From my research, it's very, very "blue".

You are avoiding the one key issue that I am hammering here: teachers and educational workers are held to a higher morality standard.

Houston being a kid's prom date is way different than this.  First of all, the [censored] are much, much older.  Secondly, Houston was not a paid employee of the school district.

Crystal's website was her own personal website, not some Score-run site that is promoting someone long after she left the business.  It was Crystal's site promoting her as an adult entertainer that she was making money off of.


We're going to agree to disagree, but I think what it boils down to is that teachers are held to a higher standard than regular people, her website was still up, and Crystal should not be talking to the press.

[TheZookie007]

I agree that she should probably have pled the Fifth, but the whole morality thing is moot since she was not pushing her private life on her charges.

[Angelus]

Did some more research.

Crystal hasn't been retired for five years.  She hasn't even been retired for three.

Crystal appeared at Glamourcon 41 with Chelsea last year.

So her claim - that was listed in the article - that she said she was out of the business for FIVE years - is very, very false.

[Angelus]

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TheZookie007 said:
I agree that she should probably have pled the Fifth, but the whole morality thing is moot since she was not pushing her private life on her charges.

If she's still got the tits, I would say the evidence is right in front of their faces.

The morality thing is NOT moot.  If she had been picked up on a DUI outside of school hours, the same kind of pressure would be there because it makes her a bad role model for young people once it gets out.

And being in porn isn't as bad as DUI, she still has to live her life to a higher moral standard which she wasn't doing.  She was still semi-active in adult entertainment and trying to work with young people at the same time.

[Chucky-]

I hate to say this to you but this is a load of crap how many of the people teaching in the school were busted for drugs, how many for DUI how many cheated on there taxes or didn't even pay them. Hell we elect Major who are coce dealers get over it the morality thing is dead and over noone give a damn this is America in the 21st centrury if you don't get caught do it  

[Real]

i would have rather seen her stand up for her rights (one of which is to be gainfully employed) on principle which imo she should have had on her side.  as has been said, the fact she used to be a stipper who did one tugjob video to my knowledge hardly makes her a danger to ch!ldren.  you might be a paranoid puritan but really, the number of school teaachers especially these days who have danced in the past is hillariously huge.  i swear its got to be one of the top post dancer "legit" jobs.  shoot i would trust her with mine....at least i would have.

then she decided to lie about it and call obama a crackhead?  that sadly is more character revealing than anything else.  its a blow for performers who might want to responsibly follow in her footsteps.

off topic a bit but kind of odd timing considering the situation, literally 20 minutes ago im scouring the nets for pictures of the milf host of the kymarp body shaper infomercial and found the reform story of another julia parker...who many of us know as candy cottton.
 http://www.artsci.washington.edu/news/Autumn06/JuliaParker.htm

i seen her get nutted on by 80 dudes in one sitting, now she's funding an annual UW philosophy award. and that was a minute ago now...

[GALVATRON]

bwaaaahhhh!

There's only one solution to this.
Clhidren should only be taught by eunuchs.
And these eunuch's should be kept in solitary confinement during non-school hours, that way anything they may do, in their own personal free time, that may POSSIBLY offend ANYONE will be known only to themselves.

Or, I guess could everyone get home schooled. But, home schooled kdis are weird, and rightfully made fun of. Unless they are actors or performers, in which case the home schooling makes sense because they are doing the greater good by providing entertainment to the masses.

[Bonecracker]

 Dear Mighty Galvatron.

Just to add your final solution.  They should be taught by eunuchs who are sequestered in solitary confinement locked cells when not admitted to teach them in their classrooms.

Perhaps it is time for automated teachers, non-humans?  Can you send some from your home planet, Mighty Galvatron?

Best regards,

Bone...  

[ChrisR1]

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Bonecracker said:Perhaps it is time for automated teachers, non-humans?

Future late-breaking story on your Local Fox Affilliate News: Robo-teachers decomissioned, parents outraged, after reports surfacing showing programmers once authored and ran several internet porn sites....

[angeliqueAdict]

we shouldn't have public schools or public school teachers at all. Problem solved.

[Good_Grip]

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You are avoiding the one key issue that I am hammering here: teachers and educational workers are held to a higher morality standard.  

Who's morality are we talking about here.  If she wasn't actively promoting herself as an adult performer to the students, I don't see the problem.

This reminds me of a routine by Lenny Bruce:  There is a gay teacher in a school. Student come home one day and the parents asK "What did you learn in school today?"  The student says "We had one hour of math, one hour of English and one hour learning about blowjobs".

Give me a break people.  It's the same old puritanical crap that has been going on in the country forever.

[pedonbio]

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[Real said:

off topic a bit but kind of odd timing considering the situation, literally 20 minutes ago im scouring the nets for pictures of the milf host of the kymarp body shaper infomercial and found the reform story of another julia parker...who many of us know as candy cottton.
 http://www.artsci.washington.edu/news/Autumn06/JuliaParker.htm

i seen her get nutted on by 80 dudes in one sitting, now she's funding an annual UW philosophy award. and that was a minute ago now...

*SIGH* Did you happen to go to the UW? I've always admired their policy about stuff like this. Two years ago one of the fundie preachers around town went public with his demand (made after studying hours of porn) that several students were making porn movies in their dorms and marketing them commercially. The UW administration announced that it would do nothing. End of "scandal".