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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #510 on: June 12, 2012, 05:34:47 AM »
I said that there have been a lot of blown call this year, and I still believe that.  However, I think you would lose some of the pureness (is that a word?) of the game if you put too much emphasis on instant replay.  Sure there would be some better calls made, but baseball has been around for at least 150 years, I think?  I don't think it needs any major changes at this point.  There is a reason it is called "The Great American Pastime"  I think it should probably be left as is, blown calls and all.

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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #511 on: June 12, 2012, 08:51:38 AM »
Interleague play has got to go.Even the Mets-Yankees series at Yankee stadium was not selling out over the weekend.

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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #512 on: June 12, 2012, 10:50:59 AM »

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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #513 on: June 12, 2012, 08:15:24 PM »
Interleague play has got to go.Even the Mets-Yankees series at Yankee stadium was not selling out over the weekend.

Not gonna happen. Houston is moving to the AL next season, so there'll be an interleague game nearly every day.

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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #514 on: June 12, 2012, 09:36:58 PM »
What they need to do (but won't, because of the $$$) is get rid of the "rivalry" interleague matchups every year. When you force a couple of Mets-Yankees and Cubs-White Sox series every year, you wind up having to force teams like Seattle into bizarre matchups. And why, for the love of all that's holy, are there still teams that haven't visited teams in the other league after 15 years? The Mets are *still* waiting to host the White Sox!

Look, you're going to have three divisions of five teams each per league. So set up a three year cycle.

1: AL East vs NL East, AL Central vs NL Central, AL West vs NL West.
2: AL East vs NL Central, AL Central vs NL West, AL West vs NL East.
3: AL East vs NL West, AL Central vs NL East, AL West vs NL Central.

Play the same number of games against each team in the division, split evenly between home/away. This way, no team can gripe about how they get screwed by having to play good teams while their division opponents play bad teams.

And how about changing the DH rule so that you go by *visiting* team rules? Might be fun to see pitchers hitting in Fenway Park, for example!

Local rivalries will happen often enough to satisfy the fans, but not so often that they get dull and routine.
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #515 on: June 13, 2012, 08:47:35 AM »
Not gonna happen. Houston is moving to the AL next season, so there'll be an interleague game nearly every day.

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I forgot about that.It's about time the AL gets a crap team to knock around.There's too many good teams in the AL compared to the NL.

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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #516 on: June 13, 2012, 09:16:56 PM »
Can you believe R.A. Dickey?

He just won his 10th tonight, a complete game one-hitter which would have been a shutout save for a throwing error and two knuckleballs that catcher Mike Nickeas couldn't handle. Twelve strikeouts and NO WALKS.

In his past five starts, he's collected 50 strikeouts and allowed only 3 (three!) walks. And this guy relies on a knuckleball! He's among the leaders in both strikeouts (90 right now) and ERA (now down to 2.20).

If he does not start the All-Star Game for the NL, it's only because they can't find a catcher who wants to try handling his knuckler....
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #517 on: June 15, 2012, 11:42:18 PM »
Congratulations to Matt Cain on his Perfect Game!!

That makes for the second PG so far this year, and the fifth no-hitter. There have been fourteen no-hitters (including PG's) in the past two and a half seasons, which is leading some people to wonder just how dominant pitching has become these days (or how crappy hitting is, thanks to no more steroids).

But you have to take into account a couple of facts.

First, there are a heck of a lot more games being played. Prior to 1960, there were only 16 teams total in a 154 game season. That's 2,464 chances for a no-hitter. Now there are 30 teams, and the season is 162 games, making for 4,860 chances. Almost twice as many! So we certainly ought to be seeing more, even if the quality of pitching stayed the same.

Second, there's all the information available on hitters. Follow a game online, on a site like ESPN. There will be a nice little box representing the strike zone, with spots showing pitch location. Perhaps you can also click on a button that will show the batter's average on pitches in different parts of the strike zone. Guess what - teams have access to those same zone charts as you do. So pitchers know where a batter is vulnerable, and to much better detail than before.

Finally, speaking of charts, you can also see "spray charts" to see where a batter has been putting balls into play. Teams are taking this into account, and better positioning their fielders.

Given all that, it's not really a surprise that we're getting more no-hitters these days.

By the way, everyone is justifiably praising Cain for his total dominance over the Astros, since he recorded 14 strikeouts - a record for PGs. I went and checked the other end of the spectrum. On August 19, 1969, Cubs pitcher Ken Holtzman tossed a no-hitter against the Atlanta Braves. These were no pushovers like the Astros; the braves lineup featured future Hall-of-Famers Hank Aaron and Orlando Cepeda. Holtzman did get help from the wind (especially when it blew back a sure home run blast by Aaron). In fact, he needed help from each and every one of his teammates. He recorded not a single strikeout. (link)
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #518 on: June 26, 2012, 02:40:25 PM »
The Seattle Mariners are making us all proud.

The Seattle P.I. has proposed a new slogan for the Mariners: "Seattle Mariners--Because every baseball team needs something to beat."
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #519 on: July 09, 2012, 07:27:25 PM »
I am ambivalent about the All Star Game this year.

It used to be a really fun exhibition game, a sort of summer fantasy where you could see the best players in each league face off against each other. Then interleague play diminshed that attraction. Then the managers turned it into some sort of sandlot game, where you had to get everybody into the game no matter what. So you wound up with a dreadful extra-inning tie, where both teams had run out of players. Commissioner Bud Selig decided that in order to encourage people to play to win, the winning league would get home-field advantage in the World Series. So now serious baseball fans argue about who should be on the team to give their league the best chance, when what baseball really, really needs is the original "summer fantasy" game to bring in all the marginal fans who may have heard in passing about one particular player or other and would presumably like the chance to see what all the fuss is about.

Look, serious fans already know who the best players are, and can readily follow the entire sport thanks to cable and the Internet. They don't need to be enticed to watch the All Star Game, especially since they will watch it anyway.

Baseball needs to set up the game so that everybody else will want to watch. The people who, for example, have heard about R.A. Dickey from his best-seller and might like the chance to see what this thing called an "angry knuckleball" is.

And in a roundabout way, I'm now going to take a swipe at NL Manager Tony LaRussa. He should know better. It's true that fan voting selects the eight starting position players. I have no problems with that. I also have no problem with the rule that says every team must be represented on the rosters. Because no matter how bad your team is, you're going to have *someone* who is having a great season (e.g. Jose Altuve of the Houston Astros) and deserves a spot on the team. Given that, the manager really doesn't have many options for filling out the roster. But he has absolute control over what pitcher gets the honor of starting the game.

This year, the Mets have two really outstanding stars. Dickey, arguably the best pitcher in baseball, and David Wright, arguably the best third baseman. Wright got **91** of starting when a late run of ballot box stuffing by San Francisco fans put their own Pablo Sandoval in front, and got a couple of other Giants into starting roles. OK, such things happen.

Given that everyone can see it was blatant ballot stuffing (a guy on the Giants who hasn't even appeared in a game for them this year got over 90,000 votes), why on earth would you compound the insult by picking *another* Giant (Matt Cain) to be your starting pitcher? Yes, he's having a great year. He and Dickey have very similar statistics so far. But at some point you have to ask who deserves the honor more? Cain is 27 and has already been to the All Star Game twice. No doubt he'll be there again. Dickey is 37, and has never been to the Midsummer Classic.

LaRussa has said that since the starting catcher is the Giant's Buster Posey (and he probably deserves that selection), he wants someone who has worked with him to start (i.e. his teammate Matt Cain), and not someone who throws a notoriously difficult pitch to handle.

Come on. If Posey is an All Star, he can work out with Dickey before the game and get more familiar with it. And what about anyone else who has to catch Dickey? Aren't they going to have the same difficulty? And what about the home plate umpire? If he has to call it, Posey can certainly catch it...

I really don't know what LaRussa is thinking here.... Perhaps it's a good thing he's retired...


(yes, I consider myself a Mets fan)
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #520 on: July 10, 2012, 11:07:51 AM »
Don't the Rangers have like 8 players on the AL team?
Win a world series first and then you can stack the AL team with Rangers,Ron Washington.

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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #521 on: July 11, 2012, 07:40:07 PM »
Well, I (and a lot of NY Mets fans) have got to at least nibble on some Humble Pie.

Looks like the Giants fans knew what they were doing. Pablo Sandoval drove in three runs by chugging out a triple, Melky Cabrera was the game's MVP going 2 for 3 with a home run, and Matt Cain pitched two solid innings.

The only really crappy performance was from AL starter Justin Verlander, who got the loss by giving up five runs in the first inning. But he was just a strike away from getting out of the inning with only one run, and he did say he wasn't going to follow his normal game plan. People wanted to see him throw 100 mph, so he was going to give them what they wanted, he said afterwards. And not a single one of his teammates took him to task for it.

I got to see Andrew McCutcheon, Bryce Harper, Mike Trout, and a lot of other exciting players that the papers talk about but FOX never seems to show on their games. Highlight reel catches from Jose Bautista and Ryan Braun. Fine ovations for hometown player Billy Butler and Chipper Jones in his final season. A worthy Midsummer Classic overall.
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #522 on: July 23, 2012, 09:22:06 AM »
Can a baseball expert please explain this ruling for me?
Last year,I was watching a game between TB and Tor.The starting pitcher for TB made a throwing error to 1st and that Tor player ended up scoring.There was no more errors in the inning and the same TB pitcher pitched the whole inning.What makes me scratch my head is the pitcher was charged with an unearned run.Huh?
The pitcher is the one who made the error and gave up the hits that brought the run home.He earned the run.He made the error and gave up the hits.If that is not an earned run then I don't know what is.
Anybody explain this?

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« Reply #523 on: July 23, 2012, 06:52:44 PM »
Nope. I cannot explain it. But that's the way the rules on unearned runs go.

I do agree with you that if it's an error by the pitcher, it shouldn't be an unearned run.
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Re: Baseball 2007-2014
« Reply #524 on: July 23, 2012, 10:24:28 PM »
This is excerpted from the official MLB rule book (I didn't want to post the whole section as it's quite lengthy, but if you feel like reading the whole thing you can find it here):

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10.16 Earned Runs And Runs Allowed
An earned run is a run for which a pitcher is held accountable. In determining earned runs, the official scorer shall reconstruct the inning without the errors (which exclude catcher's interference) and passed balls, giving the benefit of the doubt always to the pitcher in determining which bases would have been reached by runners had there been errorless play. For the purpose of determining earned runs, an intentional base on balls, regardless of the circumstances, shall be construed in exactly the same manner as any other base on balls.

So in other words, a run is scored as unearned if the official scorer determines that the run would not have scored had the error not occurred.  In your example, the official scorer judged that had the error not occurred the Toronto base runner would not have reached first base on the play, and as a result would not have scored a run in that inning.
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