[Real]

oh i dont doubt that all these fuckfaces find this appalling.  i dont think any of them directly wanted this to happen, and they've still got blood on their hands.

when you preach to a group of retards riling them into an utterly self righteous anti government frenzy, you should not be surprised when some wingnut keys on your fucking phony constitution blather and follows through against people who are not just the opposition but the enemy.  what in the fuck does any person with a brain know is going to be the eventual result of whipping any political fringe into a frenzy of near pure self righteous indignation?

how many more liberal hunters do there need to be before the "bias" media starts calling out these white american terrorists who've been outdoing everybody on this continent by a long fucking shot since 9/11/01?  its a vitriolic anti government movement that gives the crazy incitation to get to the gun rack and excercise their "second amendment options".  

Oh I forgot to call out that Jan Brewer whore.  She has blood on her hands today.  Period.  Mindless scapegoating leads to this type of shit time and time and time again in history and it's no different in modern america.  

of course comparing this to an expression of art is a false equvalence entirely typical of the right.  this isnt artistic expression of any form.  it's active directed incitement of dullards to the ends of republicorp money and power.  period.

[Angelus]

oh i dont doubt that all these fuckfaces find this appalling.  i dont think any of them directly wanted this to happen, and they've still got blood on their hands.

when you preach to a group of retards riling them into an utterly self righteous anti government frenzy, you should not be surprised when some wingnut keys on your fucking phony constitution blather and follows through against people who are not just the opposition but the enemy.  what in the fuck does any person with a brain know is going to be the eventual result of whipping any political fringe into a frenzy of near pure self righteous indignation?

how many more liberal hunters do there need to be before the "bias" media starts calling out these white american terrorists who've been outdoing everybody on this continent by a long fucking shot since 9/11/01?  its a vitriolic anti government movement that gives the crazy incitation to get to the gun rack and excercise their "second amendment options".  

Oh I forgot to call out that Jan Brewer whore.  She has blood on her hands today.  Period.  Mindless scapegoating leads to this type of shit time and time and time again in history and it's no different in modern america.  

of course comparing this to an expression of art is a false equvalence entirely typical of the right.  this isnt artistic expression of any form.  it's active directed incitement of dullards to the ends of republicorp money and power.  period.

again, fingerpointing without knowing any real facts.  If you looked in the shooter they have in custody, his mindset is nowhere NEAR Palin's ideology. 

You do realize that Giffords used to be a republican, right?

And who is comparing this to an expression of art, and what the hell does Brewer have to do with any of this? 

Never mind.  You're just regurgitating things without making an actual point.

 

[Q_BE]

I daresay that Angelus is actually making some sense right now…

As far as Bush-Hitler references, here's just a small sampling:

MoveOn.org compares Bush to Hitler via two commercial submissions
Federal Appeals Court judge apologizes for comparing Bush to Hitler in court letter
Hugo Chavez compares Bush to Satan, Hitler
Bush Ad references MoveOn.org Hitler ads in commercial montage

My Google-Fu is a little wonky at 4 AM EST, but I'm sure there's quite a bit more, and notice i referenced the vaunted New York Times (all the news that's fit for shit) and not Fox News (#1 in cable news for 9 years running).

Q-"How's your memory now, you libs?"-BE

[Real]

you made the comparison of this situation and artistic expression by arguing its the same as blaming marilyn manson for the columbine killings.  it's not close to the same.  gov brewer has everything to do with this because she is part of the sect inflaming extremists into thinking they are in imminent danger from federalists who dont respect the constitution.  people this gunman pointed directly to in his deranged manifesto before he made his way to a political rally to target gabrielle giffords for assasination.  

a political fringe element riled into a self righteous frenzy with consequences that can hardly be labelled surprising.  this woman has been targeted with violence before for daring to represent constituents who voted her in and dont hold extremist views.  im not saying any more and certainly no less than ms giffords herself said in the link i provided.

you guys can keep your heads up your ass but imo thats some sad shit.  you can pull out more false equivalences to george bush like the same tone of armed resistance was ever anywhere in the discourse.  like if anyone was talking about "2nd amendment options" for a president they didnt like it was a god damn governor. people called george bush and his circle what they did because of specific events.  people thought they lied to start the iraq war (how'd that turn out btw?).  the vitriol toward the white house now is because.....they arent conservatives.

and another difference is they're purposely targeting their message to gun toting anti government libertarian xenophobes.  people who smash offices, and leave guns behind at meetings as a message.  it was nice of sarah to take down the target map after she got shot in the head though.  real classy.  

these fucks are begging every tim mcveigh to come out of the woodwork, but im sure they have their fingers crossed no one gets hurt while they rake in the cash to spread the message of entitled anti democratic pseudo constitutional fascism.

and for fucking retards like q-be this is just another occasion to play google-i-dont-know-fuckall tit for tat link wars with "the libs". guess this evening at least he's not caught up seeing visions of god because a woman actually talked to him lol.

like if anyone ever came to a bush rally with a fully automatic rifle he wouldnt be patriot acted into thin air instantaneously, smh white male con privilege denyers and their fake ass comparisons....

[TheZookie007]

If she apologizes for anything (which she shouldn't have to) she admits culpability for what happened. 

She had a map, on her website, with Congresswoman Giffords' district in crosshairs. For that alone, she should apologize. And she is culpable for what happened.

Was the shooter a loony? Yup. Does the shooter deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Yup. Is the rhetoric spewed by the likes of Palin, Brewer, Angle, Bachmann, etc. part of the reason why the shooter did what he did? You bet your sweet ass it is.

This loon shot a member of Congress straight through the head, at near-point-blank range. Then he turned his gun on the crowd and started shooting willy-nilly. In the process he mowed down at least five people. And for what? Because he disagreed with someone else's politics? For God's sake!

Bill Maher tweeted this a few hours ago. Says it all really:

"Hey Republicans who r condemning Ariz. shooting - if u didn't condemn Sharon Angle's '2nd amendment remedies' and the like just shut up now."

[SwitcherX]

She had a map, on her website, with Congresswoman Giffords' district in crosshairs. For that alone, she should apologize. And she is culpable for what happened.

So because she put up a map with crosshairs over the districts of congressmen she dosen't like, which has been done over 9000 times before, she's responsible for some lunatic going on a rampage?  Are you high?

I thought the meat sauce in the spaghetti I had for dinner tonight wasn't spicy enough.  I sense your hand in this.  I'm going to have to kill you.

 

[SwitcherX]

It's like he can look in to Sarah Palin's soul!





Transcript of Loughner's final thoughts;

My final thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!

Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!

The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!

If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E. then the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E. is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,610 B.C.E.

987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E.

Therefore the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,618 B.C.E. is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,671,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

B.C.E. years are unable to start.

Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E. don’t cease.

A.D.E. is endless in year.

Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don’t cease.

If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that’s replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.

Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

Every human who’s mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.

If you create one new currency then you’re able to create a second new currency.

If you’re able to create second new currency then you’re able to create third new currency.

You create one new currency.

Thus, you’re able to create a third currency.

You’re a treasurer for a new currency, listener?

You create and distribute your new currency, listener?

You don’t allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?

If you create one new language then you’re able to create a second new language.

If you’re able to create second new language then you’re able to create third new language.

You create one new language.

Thus, you’re able to create a third language.

All humans are in need of **82**.

Jared Loughner is a human.

Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of **82**.

Sleepwalking

If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I define sleepwalking.

Thus sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I’m a sleepwalker — who turns off the alarm clock.

All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.

Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.

Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.

Terrorist

If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

I define terrorist.

Thus, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
You call me a terrorist.
Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.

Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

I didn’t write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.

The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America’s Constitution.

You don’t have to accept the federalist laws.

Nonetheless, read the United States of America’s Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

You’re literate, listener?

If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.

Thus, the revolutionary’s from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!

No! I won’t trust in God!

[Lesbian Bob]

And Palin hasn't been silent, she has offered condolences to the families already, this afternoon.  Get your own head out of your ass.

Promotional spot for the show TMZ: 

"TMZ has taught me that, even as an adult, I don't have to take responsibility for my actions, so long as I apologize."

[Angelus]

you made the comparison of this situation and artistic expression by arguing its the same as blaming marilyn manson for the columbine killings.  it's not close to the same.  gov brewer has everything to do with this because she is part of the sect inflaming extremists into thinking they are in imminent danger from federalists who dont respect the constitution.  people this gunman pointed directly to in his deranged manifesto before he made his way to a political rally to target gabrielle giffords for assasination.  

a political fringe element riled into a self righteous frenzy with consequences that can hardly be labelled surprising.  this woman has been targeted with violence before for daring to represent constituents who voted her in and dont hold extremist views.  im not saying any more and certainly no less than ms giffords herself said in the link i provided.

you guys can keep your heads up your ass but imo thats some sad shit.  you can pull out more false equivalences to george bush like the same tone of armed resistance was ever anywhere in the discourse.  like if anyone was talking about "2nd amendment options" for a president they didnt like it was a god damn governor. people called george bush and his circle what they did because of specific events.  people thought they lied to start the iraq war (how'd that turn out btw?).  the vitriol toward the white house now is because.....they arent conservatives.

and another difference is they're purposely targeting their message to gun toting anti government libertarian xenophobes.  people who smash offices, and leave guns behind at meetings as a message.  it was nice of sarah to take down the target map after she got shot in the head though.  real classy.  

these fucks are begging every tim mcveigh to come out of the woodwork, but im sure they have their fingers crossed no one gets hurt while they rake in the cash to spread the message of entitled anti democratic pseudo constitutional fascism.

and for fucking retards like q-be this is just another occasion to play google-i-dont-know-fuckall tit for tat link wars with "the libs". guess this evening at least he's not caught up seeing visions of god because a woman actually talked to him lol.

like if anyone ever came to a bush rally with a fully automatic rifle he wouldnt be patriot acted into thin air instantaneously, smh white male con privilege denyers and their fake ass comparisons....

christ almighty, after reading this, stay away from safeway

[Angelus]

Promotional spot for the show TMZ: 

"TMZ has taught me that, even as an adult, I don't have to take responsibility for my actions, so long as I apologize."

Huh?  No matter what, it makes sense.  America on a whole is extremely forgiving if you apologize and seem remorseful.  But again, people are acting like Palin had something to do with this, which was a media creation.  The more you read about the shooter, the less Palin had to do with this, and it's just the Left holding on to something to try and persecute Palin. 

[Angelus]

She had a map, on her website, with Congresswoman Giffords' district in crosshairs. For that alone, she should apologize. And she is culpable for what happened.

Was the shooter a loony? Yup. Does the shooter deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Yup. Is the rhetoric spewed by the likes of Palin, Brewer, Angle, Bachmann, etc. part of the reason why the shooter did what he did? You bet your sweet ass it is.

This loon shot a member of Congress straight through the head, at near-point-blank range. Then he turned his gun on the crowd and started shooting willy-nilly. In the process he mowed down at least five people. And for what? Because he disagreed with someone else's politics? For God's sake!

Prove it.  Everything I've been reading about this guy is that he is a 100 percent lunatic, like the VT Shooter.  Socially inept, not that smart.  Prove to me he is some sort of hardcore Republican, because he's NOT.  One of his favorite books is the Communist manifesto!

[Real]

can you show me 100-200 of the 9000 examples where people use firearm target themed visual aids against political opponents?  oh yeah, that's just more mindless rationalization since you probably couldnt handle coming to terms with how vile your political idols truly are.

sarah palin catching this flak isnt a media creation, its a public creation.  check twitter.  "the media" is more conservative apologist bullshit, you people spew that word like it was "terror" these days.  This is the reaction of people who've seen these folks rile their redneck base into a frenzy and knew something like this would be the direct or indirect result. there's no proof that she directly incited this guy, id never say she was directly resonsible but she has a huge slice of indirect responsibility that frankly i hope she fucking chokes on.

im more inclined to think he was a complete crazy than a hardcore republican, who very obvisouly keyed on the false constitution prattle that is the right wing's new lead attack on anyone who doesn't share their world view.

you purposely rile up a political fringe, then wipe your hands of any and all consequences.  that's the right wing way.  put targets on people, get warned by the person who is eventually shot in the head that this is going to have consequences, say the constitution doesnt give the federal government the right to rule over god's conservative patriots, then completely wash your hands when some nut strikes out in the atmophere of contempt and paranoia you spearheaded in creating.

how many more fallback talking points you have before you acknowledge the plain truth?  tehy're getting thinner and more basic by the post.   people at the head of the rublican party, not nuts and bloggers, but governers and prime time pundits pushing conspiracy theories and 2nd amendment alternatives and reloading instead of retreating.

this proves once again that the right and the people who idolize them for throwing money at their rich masters and acting like anything less makes you an unamerican communist, will spin any situation.

i mean fuck, they're still acting like the iraq war was good idea for fucksakes.  you folks have psyche's too frail to accept how truly unamerican and fascist your conservative idols and their rhetoric are.  all you offer are false equvalences and thin defense of putrid political targetings.

im sure they're horrified to see that she got shot.  you think they were anything but stoked about the vandalism though?  thats exactly what they want, that's why the target stayed until it became a poltical liablility for this cunt palin.

they target these people, sick their lunatic fringe on them once theyve been whooped to the height of self righteousness, then act shocked when this happens.  as obstinate as the right is, i refuse to believe they dont really know they hold a culpability in this tragedy.

[DruulEmpire]

Q_BE was nice enough to reply to my post, but he should read his own links.  Just how sloppy and irrelevant a definition of "Left" are we willing to settle for?  I cite Angle, who was a candidate in an election just three months old, calling for "Second Amendment remedies."  Q not only mentions one apologetic judge within a vast judicial system but his two posts on MoveOn.org are from 2004, the top one being about an ad getting swiftly withdrawn and apologized for, and the other post --despite the yellow titling -- actually being about a GOP ad that tried to blur Kerry's face together with Hitler's.  As for Hugo Chavez, I'm not a damn Colombian, like all the rest of us I'm trying to live in THIS country.

When grabbing ammunition from across the Web, it is advisable to check for duds.

Meanwhile, we're dealing with pundits and, even more importantly, politicians themselves, in the here and now, playing with violent rhetoric.  The "Well, that irrelevant so-and-so sounded bad some years ago, so we get to say anything we like in the actual political arena from now on" attitude is not encouraging.  On the one hand you claim to be forever traumatized by stuff some irrelevant -- certainly to my own life -- fools said six years ago, but then you develop instant convenient blindness at the sight of Tea Party signs Nazifying Obama.  Fuck any jerks who once worked for MoveOn.org, I'm more a Jon Stewart rally man -- so could we at least agree that painting ANYONE as Hitler AND calling for political assassination ought to get yanked out of the discussion?  Can we?  Please?  Sure seems simple to me.

PS: Oh, and while I'm on this thread, and addressing Q, and rather desperate to try to lighten the tone here a little, all I have left to say on the titular subject of this thread is -- SHE'S NOT THAT INTO YOU.  I'll place a gentleman's bet -- or hell, even a monetary one -- that Palin will either not run or that if the GOP does back her she'll lose.

Palin reminds me a little of a little girl playing the "Why?" game -- that's when some jerk kid asks you a question "Why?" and then keeps right on asking "Why?" over and over.  She does it not out of genuine curiosity but just to have fun getting a rise out of you.  In either case, I feel I owe myself the luxury of simply ignoring her.  She had her shot, and she's fading away.  Far scarier persons are in actual seats of power.  I'm more interested in them. 

[pedonbio]

I'm going thru a bit of turmoil at the moment. When assholes like Cube are tolerated and contributors like Barnacle Bill get banned, I need to take some time to think about it.

Mod comment: No one is banned for their political beliefs here... people are held to the letter and spirit of the BEA Owner's User Agreement and beyond that they can express their beliefs as they see fit. Bill was banned for numerous content, source and underag3 violations conducted under multiple usernames. Q_BE has thoroughly exhausted his allotment of 'second chances' after posting numerous violations and other behavioral issues and will be treated accordingly should he break his promise to the Owner yet again. Both of these facts have been publicly documented in the Banned Users thread, as well as in the edited violation posts themselves. Politics isn't against site policy... provided it's kept in the Off Topic Forum and expressed within the bounds of the User Agreement. Hope this clarifies things somewhat. -Palomine

[SwitcherX]

can you show me 100-200 of the 9000 examples where people use firearm target themed visual aids against political opponents?  oh yeah, that's just more mindless rationalization since you probably couldnt handle coming to terms with how vile your political idols truly are.

IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAND! or just Over 9,000 is an over-used meme that was started by the japanese anime show 'Dragonball Z', where characters would use scouters to detect power levels.

I used it because I had been looking at 4chan and meant it in the sense that it's been done before.

What makes you think Sarah Palin is one of my political idols?