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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1785 on: February 22, 2010, 11:51:56 PM »

George Bush Ratings were low for most of his tenure, and the congressman were even lower for allowing him to stay. That I get!

Glad to hear you demonstrate your true level of understanding. George Bush's bad poll numbers were because Americans hated Bush, but Congress's historically low poll numbers were because Americans hated...Bush? ::)

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Obama has orange lightning coming out of his mouth zapping something below with his silver tongue???
I don't get it!

The more Obama talks, the lower his poll numbers go... ;D

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« Reply #1786 on: February 23, 2010, 01:19:02 AM »
Let me share with you liberals out there a few more points of contention I share with the American people about our dear Supreme Leader Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama. (Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm!)

It appears that Obama has done a flip-flop on "Blue Ribbon Commissions". :P

This is what he said September 16, 2008 in Golden, Colorado during the Presidential campaign:

Obama dismisses McCain 'commission' as stunt

Quote from: Barack Obama
This morning, instead of offering up concrete plans to solve these issues, Senator McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book:  You pass the buck to a commission to study the problem.  (laughter) Here's the thing.  This isn't 9/11.  We know how we got into this mess.  What we need now is leadership that gets us out.  (cheers and applause) I'll provide it, John McCain won't, and that's the choice for Americans in this election.

This is Barack Hussein Obama last Thursday:

Obama Creates Bipartisan Fiscal Panel to Tackle Debt

Quote from: Barack Obama
Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles are taking on the impossible.  They're going to try to restore reason to the fiscal debate and come up with answers as cochairs of the new National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.  I'm asking them to produce clear recommendations on how to cover the costs of all federal programs by 2015 and to meaningfully improve our long-term fiscal picture.

Oldest Washington stunt in the book, eh? 8)

The global warming hoax is vanishing before your very eyes and ears:

Scientist Retracts Paper on Rising Sea Levels Due to Errors

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Scientists have been forced to retract a paper that claimed sea level were rising thanks to the effects of global warming, after mistakes were discovered that undermined the results.

The study was published in Nature Geoscience and predicted that sea levels would rise by as much as 2.7 feet by the end of the twenty-first century.

The paper also highlighted that it reinforced the conclusions of the U.N.'s controversial Fourth Assessment report, which warned of the dangerous of man-made climate change.

However, mistakes in time intervals and inaccurately applied statistics have forced the authors to retract their paper -- the first official retraction ever for the three-year-old journal, notes the Guardian. In an officially published retraction of their paper, the authors acknowledged these mistakes as factors that compromised the results.

"We no longer have confidence in our projections for the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, and for this reason the authors retract the results pertaining to sea-level rise after 1900," wrote authors Mark Siddall, Thomas Stocker and Peter Clark.

Barack Hussein Obama said this about sea levels on his Election Day 2008 victory:

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I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.

Not only has Barack Obama NOT done anything to stop sea levels from rising (even accepting the blatantly false premise that the yet-future "Cap-and-Tax" bill would do anything remotely substantive), the sea levels weren't even rising in the first place! It was a complete hoax and lie from start to finish!

Finally, I would like Obama to consider the political hypocrisy of his speeches and his policies so far:

1.) Obama said that jobs was his main priority, but his healthcare reform, retaining a public option or even expanding Medicare to 55-and-overs (while also miraculously cutting $500 billion from the program) will kill the private insurance industry, costing tens of thousands of jobs. How do you reconcile that?

2.) Obama pledged dozens of times that he would never raise taxes on families making $250,000 or more a year, but Obamacare places taxes on "Cadillac insurance plans" among other things, set to start the very next year after it is enacted (2011 currently). How do you reconcile that?

3.) Obama himself has said we're out of money, and we need to rein in spending (by 2015), but he's going forward with at least a $1 Trillion healthcare reform package on top of all the previous spending and not 4 DAYS after he appointed a "commission" to figure out how we get out of debt, a commission that he himself decried as "the oldest Washington trick in the book". How do you reconcile that?

4.) Obama said that if his "Porkculus" bill was passed in 2009, we wouldn't see an increase over 8% in unemployment figures. He said it would create 3.5 million jobs, over 90% of which in the private sector, but we've lost millions of jobs, and a fellow Democrat, Evan Bayh (D-Indiana), said he believed that the stimulus bill "has not created one job in the last 6 months". How do you reconcile that?

5.) Obama pledged that he "didn't want to run the automobile industry", but the US Government (along with the UAW) now owns operating stakes in two American auto companies. How do you reconcile that?

6.) Obama said his personality and his new methods of engaging Iran "without preconditions" would keep them from becoming a nuclear power, but since then Iran has admitted to undiscovered nuclear facilities, and the good ol' United Nations even admits they are surprisingly pursuing further nuclear enrichment. How do you reconcile that?

7.) As I stated above, Obama claimed his election would cause the sea levels to fall, and jobs to be created, and Washingtonian gridlock would end (well, I added that last one, given the Democrats had supermajorities in both houses of Congress and the presidency). None of these things has happened, and in fact, the sea levels were never rising in the first place. How do you reconcile that?

8.) I stated above in a previous post that Obama blames Bush for horrific deficit spending, but Obama's own budgets triple the national debt by the time he leaves office in 2012 (hopefully). On top of that, he voted for EVERY PIECE of spending legislation Bush threw down the pike, the same legislation he now blames for so many deficits, which in each of the years he plans to be in office were or will be triple the largest deficit in Bush's final year ($500 billion versus $1.5 trillion+). How do you reconcile that?
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1787 on: February 23, 2010, 05:46:13 AM »
I didn't like G.W. Bush (or, more precisely, I didn't like a lot of his policies) but I never wished him to be struck down by God or anything. This is just going too far. Really.

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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1788 on: February 23, 2010, 05:51:38 AM »
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"It's time to get past the incessant partisan potshots being taken at President Obama and forge some progress, Colin Powell told Face the Nation today. "I don’t think the country will be well served if the next three years are attempts to bring him down and destroy him as a political figure," said the Republican, who added that "Americans will want to see some progress" and said he doesn't regret voting for Obama in 2008. Powell also dismissed Dick Cheney's suggestions that the country was less safe under Obama as bunk: "To suggest that somehow we’ve become much less safe because of the administration isn’t borne out by the facts.”

(emphasis mine)
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1789 on: February 23, 2010, 10:50:24 AM »
"It's time to get past the incessant partisan potshots being taken at President Obama and forge some progress, Colin Powell told Face the Nation today. "I don’t think the country will be well served if the next three years are attempts to bring him down and destroy him as a political figure," said the Republican, who added that "Americans will want to see some progress" and said he doesn't regret voting for Obama in 2008. Powell also dismissed Dick Cheney's suggestions that the country was less safe under Obama as bunk: "To suggest that somehow we’ve become much less safe because of the administration isn’t borne out by the facts.”

(emphasis mine)

Zookie, I love you man, but I scoff at how you conveniently sidestep any of the questions I put to you in my most recent post, and how you have yet to respond to anything I have to say in the Sarah Palin thread. Instead, you beg for people to respond to requests by 100Proof to accept the premise of the argument that to be for Palin is somehow based only on hatred for liberals, leftists, and whackos. Surely, there is anger fomenting about the things Democrat liberals are doing in Congress and in the Presidency, but Sarah Palin's appeal extends far beyond anything your leftist closed minds dare to comprehend.

BTW, if you're quoting General Colin Powell, you must be desperate, especially if you're quoting this latest interview. Here's another portion of what he said:

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I would caution my Republican friends that he's got three years to go, and in that three years the American people are going to want to see some progress and not just claims that this guy is out of office and we're going to do everything to destroy him or that somehow he is a "socialist" taking over the country.  Have we so lost our faith in this country that we think one person, one man can be can suddenly change our entire system?  That's kind of absurd. And, in fact, you're seeing through the tea party movement and to what the Republicans are doing that no one person can -- can change the country that way.

I can't believe this guy seems to forget completely that Barack Obama himself campaigned on this very idea--to be the person who was going to bring "hope" to America and "change" to Washington. What he is really trying to do is to throw Obama some cover because not only is Obama doing neither of those things, he is in fact doing precisely the opposite. How's that "hope and change" working for you? ::)

Quote from: Colin Powell
The Transportation Security Administration created by George Bush is still in action working our airports.  The Director of National Intelligence was created by President Bush and it is still, under President Obama, working hard.  Counterterrorism authorities and forces are hard at work. Our law enforcement officials are hard to work.  We have gone after the enemy in Afghanistan with 50,000 more troops. We have continued the policies that President Bush put in place with respect to, uhh, Iraq, and so I don't know where the claim comes that we are less safe.

Neglecting the spurious notion that Obama has truly continued the toughest policies that Bush used in the War on Terror (most notably by attempting to close down "Club Gitmo" and by not actually taking the time to interrogate suspects for any significant amount of time without giving them full American citizen-type 'Miranda rights'), it is interesting to note that Powell seems to be attempting to deflect the idea that Obama is screwing up the War on Terror by falling back to the notion that he is merely continuing the same policies of the Bush Administration (especially since Ft. Hood took place, and we had the nearly-successful 'Fruit-of-Kaboom' bomber). He simultaneously wants to blame Bush's policies for the near-miss terror attacks and take credit for for preventing them by using Bush's policies. Which is it, General? You can't have it both ways. Bush's policies can't both be responsible for causing and preventing terrorist attacks, at least if you have any intellectual honesty.

Need I remind you that Obama is not only continuing Bush's "warrantless wiretaps" but doubling down on the very same policy you liberals seemed to abhor so vociferously?

Feds Push For Tracking Cellphones

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Even though police are tapping into the locations of mobile phones thousands of times a year, the legal ground rules remain unclear, and federal privacy laws written a generation ago are ambiguous at best. On Friday, the first federal appeals court to consider the topic will hear oral arguments in a case that could establish new standards for locating wireless devices.

In that case, the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.

Those claims have alarmed the ACLU and other civil liberties groups, which have opposed the Justice Department's request and plan to tell the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia that Americans' privacy deserves more protection and judicial oversight than what the administration has proposed.

So, General Powell, what do you have to say for yourself and your president? Hhhhmmm?

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« Reply #1790 on: February 23, 2010, 07:17:40 PM »
Q_BE you are preaching to the choir! we all know that in many ways Obama has more in common with McCain and Bush then he is with the democratic party! Tell me something I don't already know.
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« Reply #1791 on: February 23, 2010, 08:56:48 PM »
Q_BE you are preaching to the choir! we all know that in many ways Obama has more in common with McCain and Bush then he is with the democratic party! Tell me something I don't already know.

Then how do you possibly defend your support of your Uber-President? ::)

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« Reply #1792 on: February 23, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »
Well, maybe, just maybe, people support him because they want him to succeed?

Seriously, who in their right mind wants President Obama to fail? As screwed up as things are now, the failure of the current administration will only make them worse.

And if anyone has any better ideas that aren't pie-in-the-sky dreams and actually have a chance of working, let's see them.
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Re: MERGED: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1793 on: February 23, 2010, 11:30:22 PM »
Then how do you possibly defend your support of your Uber-President? ::)

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I never supported him, he is too conservative for me, and so was Hillary Clinton, but I don't have to lie about him or just make things up, like JJ does with no evidence to back up anything that he posted about Obama, his cartoon are not even factual, if anything just old german style propaganda that he's parroting from Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

JJ claims he is showing substance, but all I see is substance abuse, and should go to a 12 step program for sore republican loser.
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« Reply #1794 on: February 24, 2010, 12:14:19 AM »
Well, maybe, just maybe, people support him because they want him to succeed?

Please elaborate, and show me where he's succeeded with any substantive economic marker. ::)

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Seriously, who in their right mind wants President Obama to fail? As screwed up as things are now, the failure of the current administration will only make them worse.

I am in my right mind (and in my mind I am right, he he he), and I want Obama to FAIL. I don't want any part of his big government, liberal-Democrat policies to be enacted because they will spell the death knell of an already-reeling US economy.

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And if anyone has any better ideas that aren't pie-in-the-sky dreams and actually have a chance of working, let's see them.

Rather than neglect to respond to this inquiry in its entirety, I respectfully request a week's time to return with some answers. I'm tired of liberals claiming conservatives lack fight in the arena of ideas, because I often feel that it is tried-and-failed liberal policies that get rehashed every decade or so that seem so old and tired... ::)

Don't doubt me. 8)

BTW, just so I can get a handle on it, in what areas would you like policy ideas?

I never supported him, he is too conservative for me, and so was Hillary Clinton, but I don't have to lie about him or just make things up, like JJ does with no evidence to back up anything that he posted about Obama, his cartoon are not even factual, if anything just old german style propaganda that he's parroting from Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

My eyes bugged out when I read this. How far to the LEFT do you really go?!? :o

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JJ claims he is showing substance, but all I see is substance abuse, and should go to a 12 step program for sore republican loser.

You'll notice JJ seems to have paused while I've been definitively destroying Obama's policies and credibility as a presidential policymaker in the United States government. I wonder if he feels I'm giving him a breather... :P

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« Reply #1795 on: February 24, 2010, 02:09:32 AM »
lol definitive?  obama hasnt been near perfect but buddy, your posts are still ludicrous.  the democrats have been and remain the most conservative "progressive" party in the industrialized world.  for heavens sake you all still gladly excecute people like some 3rd world country even though it obviously hasnt helped with you abysmal crime rates.  you remain the ONLY industrialized nation in the world without so much as a public option for health care.  nope your centrists are conservatives who might believe in abortion rights in any other country on this planet.

does america have respect in the world again (doesnt matter to the right, i know)? has the land of the free, home of the brave stopped torturing people?  is science back to trumping neanderthan policy re: stem cells?  are the rich going to be paying the tax they should be paying when youre fighting TWO FREAKING WARS lol?  is there a plan in afghanistan, the real front in your war, after more than a half decades dithering?  

sure guy is not perfect, these are all things that republicans couldnt accomplish in wasting away 8 years of this last decade.  not bad at all for a first year, especially having to deal with more trumped up ignorant indignace from the yokel-right than we've seen since the spring of '03.  back then chicken coops and 1980 chemical weapons were an imminent nuclear attack.  now denting insurance industry profits and regan era tax levels are lenin risen from the tomb.

simply using the equation that government = evil isnt really saying anything.  socialized medicine works well for tripp palin. keeping tabs on bank greed sure helped us up here in canada while your economy took a hundred year tank (under bush dont forget now we know youre trying to). mitt romney's health care plan is not really that different just because a half black guy with a (D) after his name is pushing it now (again thanks to leading a very conservative progressive party).  really your intentionally vague and generalized overstatements truly are worthy a palin backer.

what they say is true, you folks wont get anywhere until you drop your kneejerk-well i dont have an idea but ill be back in a week with what i need to prove my side right-partisanship and take a look at reality.  maybe even reality outside of your own city, or block, or family, or face.  but then that is the difference between liberals and conservatives for the most part, isnt it?

you can repeat what you heard glen beck say last night all you want to, in reality it just isnt bearing out the last 30 years lol.
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« Reply #1796 on: February 24, 2010, 03:00:04 AM »
Zookie, I love you man, but I scoff at how you conveniently sidestep any of the questions I put to you in my most recent post, and how you have yet to respond to anything I have to say in the Sarah Palin thread.
I do want to respond, even though some of what you said veered so much into frothing-at-the-mouth territory that it is taking me some time to come up with something civil. So cool your jets a little.
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« Reply #1797 on: February 24, 2010, 10:45:32 AM »
Q_BE said:

You'll notice JJ seems to have paused while I've been definitively destroying Obama's policies and credibility as a presidential policymaker in the United States government. I wonder if he feels I'm giving him a breather... Tongue
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Yeah, nice ta have somebody else deal with this.   :-\  You post a good cartoon in keeping with the subject of this gOOber started thread, then questions arise.   You attempt to respond to the questions with facts and what do you mostly get?  You get responses that attack the poster, attack Geo. W.Bush, who hasn't been in office for over a year, attack Rush Limbaugh, etc., anything but dealing with the issue at hand.  One guy (laughing here)  ;D ;D ;D :D :D even left in a huff saying it was better to ignore me!   ;D :D ;) :)  Nothing like sticking yer head in the sand when you can't compete in the realm of ideas.  :D 8) 8) 8)
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I too badly want Obama to fail - fail big time!  Now that draws criticism from some who say this is so politically correctly UNFAIR.  Of course, I like Obama.  He's a decent sort, good looking, talks well, has a neat family, especially his wife.  The sad part is both he and wife are wrong in their policies. They believe, having been around nothing but far left dogma in their educational process that a centralized federal government in Wash. D.C. is the answer to every problem they dream up.  That's wrong.

They see all the answers emanating from the top down to the little people who don't know better, condescension at its worst. That policy is wrong.  The power is with the people from the bottom up.  They should know this, having come from there?

Obama and wife should be out there going through the ghettos of America asking the kinds of questions JFK asked - "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country."   Instead of carpetbaggers like Sharpton and Jackson, the Obama clan could be giving off all sorts of positive value images by challenging people to stop drugs, stop crime and discourage divorce not only in the ghettos of America, but in every village, town and city in America; issuing the challenge to Americans of all colors.

Obama is not bringing people together.  He's widening the gaps. Time to take some lessons from Booker T. Washington, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Martin Luther King, Condy Rice and others.

So yes, I want Obama to fail unless he changes gears in his policies. Government does not create jobs, except for more government jobs.  When Obama applies the logical and proven solutions of cutting taxes, cutting government spending, cutting unnecessary government jobs, then standing back and allowing small, medium and large businesses to prosper, hire new workers, sell more product, make more money (and then pay more taxes into the Federal coffers), then he'll get support.  But no, this man persists in the fantasy that he and his government can fix all, do all, and most fantastic of all, PAY for all.

One doesn't have to hope for him to fail under present circumstances.  He surely will fail and already is on his way to failing big time under the weight of his own mistakes.
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« Reply #1798 on: February 24, 2010, 12:48:46 PM »
See what I mean,JJ repeats a lot of republican racist drivel sound byte, but no specific on any policy to speak of, other than he is just wrong, because he's a Democrat so he must be wrong, and all the republican noise machine says he wrong therefore he must be wrong, because he heard Glenn Beck say so, and Rush backs him up.

I probably have given him more specific on why Obama is wrong on some of the issues, and I voted for the guy! How far to the left do I need to go? I don't know if it's left or right, but I want to go where the people have more power than the corporation on who we vote for. Anybody who isn't on the take to change their vote. Polls have been taken that more than 70% want health care reform with public option, but you wouldn't know that from listening to Rush or Glenn.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

If the majority of people want public option for health care doesn't that put me in the middle, when I am for that?
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« Reply #1799 on: February 24, 2010, 05:21:28 PM »
That poll is over 6 months old. Got anything more recent, now that the general public has more time to analyze the bill Congress trying to cram through?
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