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« Reply #5190 on: June 11, 2016, 09:08:16 PM »
You seem surprised that us Liberals would want as little Conservative pushback for our agenda.

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« Reply #5191 on: June 11, 2016, 09:22:08 PM »
You seem surprised that us Liberals would want as little Conservative pushback for our agenda.

Well, to take one away from your playbook...

#ConservativeViewsMatter

Or don't they? And if you say "no" or "AllViewsMatter" then that's... well, I can't say its racist or sexist... Hmm, I guess I can say it hurts my feelings that way we can start banning stuff. Or maybe youre an extremist? Oh my god, you might be a terrorist if you say "AllViewsMatter"!

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« Reply #5192 on: June 12, 2016, 05:06:58 AM »
No, conservative views definitely matter but from a political science (I guess, I don't know political science but it seems to fit) standpoint I'd think once any group got the ball rolling they'd, collectively try to quash resistance. Grab more power. Make it easier to pass laws, etc.

It's very late, and I'm not sure if that made as much sense as I intended it to.

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« Reply #5193 on: June 12, 2016, 02:22:20 PM »
No, conservative views definitely matter but from a political science (I guess, I don't know political science but it seems to fit) standpoint I'd think once any group got the ball rolling they'd, collectively try to quash resistance. Grab more power. Make it easier to pass laws, etc.

It's very late, and I'm not sure if that made as much sense as I intended it to.

That sounds a bit tyrannical. But nonetheless, I don't think I understood you correctly. The way I took it... What you said is similar to saying:

"yeah sure, black lives do matter..... In football, basketball, comedy.... But when it comes to a "civil rights" standpoint (or anything equivalent to political science), there's an agenda and opposition is squashed."

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« Reply #5194 on: June 12, 2016, 07:10:05 PM »
The whole BLM thing is due to there still being a huge racial chasm keeping POC down. Obviously all lives matter but that is beside the point. It's not "#onlyblacklivesmatter"

So... elephant in the room...

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« Reply #5195 on: June 13, 2016, 02:04:11 AM »

You want Hillary to win, you want the House and the Senate to be Democratic, and you want the SCOTUS position filled by a liberal to control that too? And you want this after eight years of the pendulum swinging hard to the left?


No, I don't want Hillary to win. No, I don't want the SCOTUS position to be "filled by a liberal". Liberal is an adjective, not a noun. I do wish people would use the word properly; it is not meant to be a synonym for "member of the Democratic Party", just as "conservative" is not meant to be a synonym for "member of the Tea Party/Republican Party". And no, the "pendulum" did not "swing hard to the left". Anyone with a sense of history should realize that Pres. Obama is far from a "leftist". He's a centrist, more so than even Pres. Bill Clinton. So many of the policies that Pres. Obama pushed for were also those that originated in the Republican camp (e.g. the crux of the Affordable Care Act, which was "Romneycare" on a national scale). That's what makes the past eight years of Republican obstructionism so perplexing: even when Obama was using their own ideas, they were against it.

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« Reply #5196 on: June 13, 2016, 02:16:21 AM »
Also, I don't often use such harsh words, but in this case I shall:

Only a hidebound idiot thinks that when we say "Black Lives Matter", we mean "ONLY black lives matter", or "Black lives matter more than anyone else's lives". The BLM movement sprung up in reaction to the continuous, senseless, unnecessary, extra-judicial killing of young black men and women, some by LEOs, and some by unsolicited vigilantes. If you choose not to see and understand that simple fact, then you* are a hidebound idiot. You* may even be a bigot, but you* are most definitely an idiot.

A very good "explain it to me as if I were five years old" explanation comes from redditor GeekAesthete:

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Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say, "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "Everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment — Indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!

The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share," which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.

Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: It's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.



If after that very simple, very straightforward, explanation, you* still want to sputter, "but...but..all lives matter", again, you* are most definitely not only a hidebound idiot, but you* are also a bigot, and may even be a racist...although that last one is still up for debate, depending upon whether or not you are running for president on the Republican ticket or not.


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« Reply #5197 on: June 13, 2016, 04:48:54 PM »
You guys are explaining the difference between BlackLivesMatter and AllLivesMatter as if I am the one who doesn't understand the difference. It needs to be explained to those within your own side of the left right line.

Because I was using a liberals own logic to make a point. There are a lot of people who took advantage of that movement to start rioting and what not, and I understand that that should not and does not represent the whole movement (although I don't understand that one Trump supporter doing something negative gets shined a light as if that's how ALL Trump supporters are) but there was and still is a lot of people who shout racist! Or boo the hell out of you if u say all lives matter that comes from the liberal side.

So theres no need to explain shit to me as if I was five years old. Comprende?

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A recent report from the folks at STAT News indicates that a new version of speed hit the pharmaceutical market last week called Adzenys, a chewable, fruit-flavored drug designed with the same active ingredient as other popular ADHD medications, such as Adderall. The drug, which is essentially extended release gummy meth, was approved earlier this year by the Food and Drug Administration for patients as young as six years old.

Not surprisingly, the medication is already stirring up a significant level of controversy in the healthcare community due to fears that chewable speed that tastes good will lead to an increase in abuse and overdoses.



Flintstones chewable speed for kids! Marketing genius!
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« Reply #5198 on: June 13, 2016, 11:07:44 PM »
It seemed like you didn't get it.

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« Reply #5199 on: June 14, 2016, 02:28:23 PM »
It seemed like you didn't get it.

I guess if one cannot distinguish sarcasm then I can see how that would seem so.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooter-situation-walmart-texas-article-1.2673352
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« Reply #5200 on: June 14, 2016, 10:46:12 PM »
The past few days have seen examples of both How To Be Presidential, and How Not To Be Presidential:

Let's start with How Not To:

"Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!" - Donald Trump on Twitter, 12:43 PM - 12 Jun 2016

"While I greatly appreciate everybody congratulating me for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congratulations, I want toughness and vigilance. We must finally be smart!" - Donald Trump on **24**, Sunday afternoon.

Way to go, Drumpf! Pat yourself on the back after 49 people were killed and dozens injured!

On Monday, he gave a speech where he reiterated and reinforced his plan to ban Muslims from immigrating to the US. The tone of the speech scared many in the news media:

"I think this is the most horrifying speech Trump has ever given, which is a high bar" - Josh Barro, Business Insider

More: http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/06/13/media-horrified-trump-s-speech-orlando-anti-lgbt-terror-attack/210905

Trump also insinuated that President Obama, when he didn't refer to the Orlando slaughter as "radical Islamic terrorism...

“We’re led by a man who is a very—look, we’re led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump told Fox & Friends by phone Monday morning. “And the something else in mind—you know, people cannot believe it. People cannot—they cannot believe that President Obama is acting the ways he acts and can’t even mention the words ‘radical islamic terrorism.’ There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.”

Later in the morning, Trump made similar suggestions to the Today show, telling the NBC morning show: "There are a lot of people that think maybe he doesn't want to get it. A lot of people think maybe he doesn't want to know about it. I happen to think he just doesn't know what he's doing. But there are many people that think he doesn't want to get it."

The Washington Post, among others, slammed him for the inference that President Obama was somehow behind the killings. Their headline: "Donald Trump seems to connect President Obama to Orlando shooting." As anyone can tell from Trump's comments, he strongly hints that Obama supports the terrorists.

Trump's response, as posted on his **24** page:

"Based on the incredibly inaccurate coverage and reporting of the record setting Trump campaign, we are hereby revoking the press credentials of the phony and dishonest Washington Post."

This isn't the first time he's banned the press - but it's certainly the biggest organization. And many in the press are fighting back:

"There's a much larger point here and I don't -- I kind of hesitate when I thought about saying it, but this is fascism at its best. We've gone down the path of whether or not Donald Trump had said things that are racist or not racist. We've gone down the path of whether or not he said things that are offensive or not offensive, but this is fascism at its worst, to be completely honest with you. Banning The Washington Post, that's absurd. Just thinking about the fact that press -- and professing your love for freedom, but not your love for the freedom of the press. That's what happens when you get needled and get thin-skinned. Donald Trump even blocked me on Twitter. This is somebody running for president of the United States, and I just think that we need someone in this country who's built to lead, and the last thing Donald Trump is built for is leadership." - Bakari Sellers, CNN

And speaking of being "built to lead", here's an example of How To Be Presidential:

"And let me make a final point. For a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase radical Islam. That's the key, they tell us. We can't beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists. What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to trying to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction...."

"So there's no magic to the phrase radical Islam. It's a political talking point. It's not a strategy. And the reason I am careful about how I describe this threat has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with actually defeating extremism. Groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America or between Islam and the west. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions. They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion plus people. That they speak for Islam. That's their propaganda. That's how they recruit. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them."

- President Barack Obama, 6-14-16.

By the way, Trump ought to know that his rhetoric really is getting him appearances in terrorist recruitment videos: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/02/middleeast/al-shabaab-video-trump/

Oh, and we might finally get some action on gun control this time. When Bill O'Reilly comes out in favor of it, well....

"Now, the right wing responsibility. There is too much gun crime in the USA, and high powered weaponry is too easy to get. That's the fact. So let's deal with it. We all have the right to bear arms, but we don't have the right to buy and maintain mortars. Even if you feel threatened by gangsters or a New World Order. No bazookas, no Sherman tanks, no hand grenades. That's because the Second Amendment clearly states the government has a right to regulate militias, made up of individuals. They have that right in the name of public safety.

"Therefore, Congress should debate what kind of weapons should be available for public sale. And the states, the individual states should decide what kind of carry laws are good for their own people. New laws are definitely needed in the age of terrorism and mass murder. The FBI and other federal agencies need the power to stop suspected terrorists or other evil doers from buying weapons.

"That law needs to be very precise. Also, gun dealers all across America should be required to report the sale of certain kinds of guns, heavy weapons, directly to the FBI. Not handguns, not talking about that, but other weapons that would be defined by Congress. That is a sane approach, and would make it a lot tougher for the Omar Mateens of the world to get the weaponry to kill, although as Talking Points has stated many, many times, no society will ever stop all gun crimes, especially in a country which has hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation."

The O'Reilly Factor, 6/14
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« Reply #5201 on: June 16, 2016, 01:17:29 PM »
Oh, and we might finally get some action on gun control this time.

Pardon my French, but.. ABOUT FUCKING TIME.

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« Reply #5202 on: June 16, 2016, 09:53:32 PM »
So, it seems that "Russian hackers" broke into the Democratic National Committee's servers, and made off with a bunch of documents - including a detailed briefing of opposition research on The Donald.

The research paper was leaked to a couple of "news" sites, including The Smoking Gun and  Gawker:

"The document—which according to embedded metadata was created by a Democratic strategist named Warren Flood—was created on December 19th, 2015, and forwarded to us by an individual calling himself “Guccifer 2.0,” a reference to the notorious, now-imprisoned Romanian hacker who hacked various American political figures in 2013.

"Warren Flood did not immediately return a request for comment. DNC Press Secretary Mark Paustenbach was not able to immediately confirm the authenticity of the documents, but the party is aware that they’re circulating.

Whatever the source, it's a very good businesslike report on everything bad about The Donald.

Thanks to my nifty "download embedded files"-fu, I have attached the 200+ page report for your perusal.

Trump said that the DNC hacked itself (deliberately leaked the document, in other words). He also (on Twitter, his favorite means of communication) wanted to know when the DNC would hack "Crooked Hillary's, 33,000 missing emails." He must be referring to the 30,000+ emails already released.....
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« Reply #5203 on: June 18, 2016, 08:26:46 PM »
The past few days have seen examples of both How To Be Presidential, and How Not To Be Presidential:

Let's start with How Not To:



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"While I greatly appreciate everybody congratulating me for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congratulations, I want toughness and vigilance. We must finally be smart!" - Donald Trump on **24**, Sunday afternoon.

Way to go, Drumpf! Pat yourself on the back after 49 people were killed and dozens injured!

I also read the part where he said he doesnt want congratulations... But judging on peoples over sensitivity these days...

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On Monday, he gave a speech where he reiterated and reinforced his plan to ban Muslims from immigrating to the US. The tone of the speech scared many in the news media:

"I think this is the most horrifying speech Trump has ever given, which is a high bar" - Josh Barro, Business Insider

Who the hell is Josh Barro? Most credible and respectable I am sure...


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The Washington Post, among others, slammed him for the inference that President Obama was somehow behind the killings. Their headline: "Donald Trump seems to connect President Obama to Orlando shooting." As anyone can tell from Trump's comments, he strongly hints that Obama supports the terrorists.

At this point, is it not well known by now how ISIS was created? Perhaps Trump is hinting at the fact that not only Obama's administration but also George W. Bushes foreign policy decisions led to these terrorists organizations. Is it really "offensive," shocking or a stretch to suggest this?

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"There's a much larger point here and I don't -- I kind of hesitate when I thought about saying it, but this is fascism at its best. We've gone down the path of whether or not Donald Trump had said things that are racist or not racist. We've gone down the path of whether or not he said things that are offensive or not offensive, but this is fascism at its worst, to be completely honest with you. Banning The Washington Post, that's absurd. Just thinking about the fact that press -- and professing your love for freedom, but not your love for the freedom of the press. That's what happens when you get needled and get thin-skinned. Donald Trump even blocked me on Twitter. This is somebody running for president of the United States, and I just think that we need someone in this country who's built to lead, and the last thing Donald Trump is built for is leadership." - Bakari Sellers, CNN

CNN huh? Impressive.

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And speaking of being "built to lead", here's an example of How To Be Presidential:

"And let me make a final point. For a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against ISIL is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase radical Islam. That's the key, they tell us. We can't beat ISIL unless we call them radical Islamists. What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to trying to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction...."

"So there's no magic to the phrase radical Islam. It's a political talking point. It's not a strategy. And the reason I am careful about how I describe this threat has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with actually defeating extremism. Groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda want to make this war a war between Islam and America or between Islam and the west. They want to claim that they are the true leaders of over a billion Muslims around the world who reject their crazy notions. They want us to validate them by implying that they speak for those billion plus people. That they speak for Islam. That's their propaganda. That's how they recruit. And if we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists' work for them."

- President Barack Obama, 6-14-16.

A good response to this is this:

Why does Obama refuse to admit the obvious? Follow the money.

I used to wonder why in the heck right-wing commentators on Fox News kept repeating the same mantra over and over again: sitting through the Republican debates, my eyes glazed over when I heard each and every candidate denounce the Obama administration for refusing to say the Sacred Words: “radical Islamic terrorism.” What are these people talking about, I thought to myself: they’re obsessed!

So we finally unlock the Great Mystery: why oh why does is this administration and the Clinton campaign so reluctant to utter the words “radical Islamic terrorism”? Is it because of political correctness and a fear of inciting “Islamophobia”? Don’t flatter them: they’re not above that, when it serves their purposes. But it doesn’t serve their purposes this time.

What they’re afraid of is alienating their allies in the Middle East – not just the jihadists they’ve funded and succored in an effort to overthrow Assad, but primarily the Saudis, the Turks, and the Gulf sheikhs who are all in on the game and are playing it for all it’s worth. And of course there’s the Clinton Foundation, which has received millions in “donations” from the Saudi royals and their satellites.

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Oh, and we might finally get some action on gun control this time. When Bill O'Reilly comes out in favor of it, well....

You know, if there was "action" on gun control back in 2013 or so, Omar Mateen would still have been qualified to purchase the guns he used could he not have?

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think a license is required to buy a gun in Vermont or New Hampshire and they happen to be two of the safest states.
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« Reply #5204 on: June 18, 2016, 10:49:58 PM »
Not due to gun non-control, mind you. ;)

I'm done with you, after this last post of yours. You *seem* (and I could be wrong here) to believe Muslims have somehow done us (America as a whole) harm. If that is the case, I am through even reading your nonsense.

If not, I truly apologize from the bottom of my bleeding heart.