[notty]

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Real said:

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notty said:
Hey, Real, did you know there are two shift keys on your keyboard?

ah grammar police.  the last tried and true bastion of message board snarks with no on-topic rebuttals to make.  good one, you got me.  when do i get pancakes?...

When you use the fucking shift key, you lazy piece of shit.

[Dearc]

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TheZookie007 said:
Hearing about a determined paranoid with a large cache of weapons will do that sometimes

I'm not even going to presume your alternatives, since I haven't the clue what they are.  We agree to disagree, but the first level of security comes from a sense of understanding a potential threat.  Call that paranoia if you like; I call it personal security, a part of personal responsibility.  Please feel free to jump, hop and skip your way into Hippieville.  

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TheRover said:
Sometimes I think I'm the only one on here who can't particularly stand either party.  They both interfere way too much in the lives of the average citizen, just over different things.  Big-government conservatism and big-government liberalism are equally repulsive, in my view.

I've been trying to say that for months.  I despise BOTH parties, but apparently that's fallen on deaf ears (or blinders) here.  It seems that if you're not for Pres. Obama, you're against him.  Reminiscent of Pres. G.W. Bush's "with us or against us" regarding terrorism.

[TheZookie007]

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Dearc: Please feel free to jump, hop and skip your way into Hippieville.  

Sigh...I ain't a hippie. I don't even own a single tie-dye shirt!

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I've been trying to say that for months.  I despise BOTH parties, but apparently that's fallen on deaf ears (or blinders) here.  It seems that if you're not for Pres. Obama, you're against him.  Reminiscent of Pres. G.W. Bush's "with us or against us" regarding terrorism.

Oh, please. I've said it before, and I will say it again: I'm not a Obama fanatic, **86** to see when he fucks up, because as a fallible human being he can and will do so (and in fact has done so quite a bit since he showed up).

[Hugeboobfan]

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Dearc said:
We agree to disagree, but the first level of security comes from a sense of understanding a potential threat.  Call that paranoia if you like; I call it personal security, a part of personal responsibility.  

I'll agree that the first level of security comes from a sense of understanding a potential threat, but if you believe that your (realistic) potential threats involve you needing an assault rifle, you either (1) live in a pretty damn dangerous neighborhood and should think about moving, or (2) you're having red dawn/mad max fantasies of mowing down waves of bad guys as they rush at your house.

[Dearc]

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TheZookie007 said:
Sigh...I ain't a hippie. I don't even own a single tie-dye shirt!

Oh, please. I've said it before, and I will say it again: I'm not a Obama fanatic, **86** to see when he fucks up, because as a fallible human being he can and will do so (and in fact has done so quite a bit since he showed up).

I give Pres. Obama plenty of credit for getting (or trying to) as much done as he has.  I also say that any given president's first year may resemble the previous presiden't term simply because the bureacracy is a slow idiotic machine.  Pres. Obama IS a human being, and he WILL screw up something, somewhere.

Ok, I'll retract my "hippie" comment from earlier.  I try to get in a jab or two for humor's sake, but I also try not to personally insult or attack the intelligence of other or their arguments.  I wish others here at the Forum would make such measures.  Zookie, you do disagree politely.    I will never presume that I'm infallible, either.  I'm willing to admit when I'm proven wrong, but that doesn't mean I can't believe in an idea, not matter how odd.

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Hugeboobfan said:
I'll agree that the first level of security comes from a sense of understanding a potential threat, but if you believe that your (realistic) potential threats involve you needing an assault rifle, you either (1) live in a pretty damn dangerous neighborhood and should think about moving, or (2) you're having red dawn/mad max fantasies of mowing down waves of bad guys as they rush at your house.

Once again, I'll admit it: I DON'T NEED an assault rifle.  That doesn't mean I can't have one.  Just because the gov't changes, and says what's legal one day, illegal the next, is that right?  Of course not.

I do live in a not-so-great neighborhood, but seriously, who can afford to move???  You might make gobs of money, but I live from paycheck to paycheck.  I have to juggle which bills to pay first, and how much to spend on groceries.  Just yesterday, I had to change car insurance because I could barely afford what I was paying.  Obviously, spending money on a rifle is NOT the smartest financial move, but it's about oppurtunity and availability, not sensibility.  I'm sure we've all said "Fuck it!" and whipped out that credit card at least once in our adult lives.  

I'm not worried about some post-apocalyptical world (I made the "Mad Max" statement as a joke), or some leftist-commie invasion, or even super bad-ass Nazi zombies.  I collect weapons, both medieval and modern, as long as I can get them legally.  Right now, assault rifles are legal.  I don't believe they should be outlawed.  Why?  It won't do anything to prevent crime.  I also collect shot glasses, but that doesn't make me an alcoholic.

I really wish people would get over this, because I am....

[TheZookie007]

Changing gears a little...did anyone catch the Prez on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night?

[gOOber]

Missed it but I listen to BBC and some announcers call him O'bomber.

[TheZookie007]

That's the British accent for you

[BigChestCherisher]

Part of the trouble with politics is that people usually tend to let their "party leader" decide for them how to feel about the issues.  If we had more independent, open minded thinkers in this country, we'd all begin to understand that we have much more in common than we realize.  The two-party system, by design, seperates people, rather than bringing them together.  It's certainly a form of segregation, in spite of the fact that no one ever refers to it in that manner.  There's actually an aisle that seperates the two parties during congressional meetings, very reminiscent of those lines/ropes that seperated the races in dance halls and on buses 50 years ago.  When you intentionally seperate people, over time they will alienate themselves from one another (or in many cases demonize one another.)  After a while, even if the ropes/lines/aisles are removed, the animosity, ignorance and bigotry remain.  

It's perfectly healthy to be critical of the actions of a politician. It's not healthy, however, to condemn an entire group of people who voted for that particular politician.  Nor is it constructive.

[pedonbio]

I want to say something about the disdainful use of the word "hippie", or its misspelling, "hippy".

The hippie movement was an effort to apply the very old anti-materialist philosophy and values to daily life. The succeeding years were the first time that a major group of Americans repudiated that philosophy, which had originated with Jefferson and Madison, had moved through Thoreau and Emerson, and had last manifested itself in the scattering of "colonies" that existed up into the middle of the 20th Century, and morphed into the "beat" movement of the 1950s.

The contrasting value system is materialism, expressed most graphically by an odd pair, Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. By making a joke of hippie values, you are embracing the "Greed is good" values of the last thirty years. So how's that working for you? Found a job yet?

[notty]

Pedonbio was totally a hippie!

[notty]

Yano...I kinda like Obama now that people aren't lining up to kiss his ass.

[TheZookie007]

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pedonbio: The contrasting value system is materialism, expressed most graphically by an odd pair, Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. By making a joke of hippie values, you are embracing the "Greed is good" values of the last thirty years. So how's that working for you? Found a job yet?

But greed IS good!

-- TheZookie "Gordon Gekko is my homeboy" 007

[Dearc]

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pedonbio said:
By making a joke of hippie values, you are embracing the "Greed is good" values of the last thirty years. So how's that working for you? Found a job yet?

So, are you saying that people must choose a side?  One or the other?

I did like the "hometown meeting" he had in Costa Mesa, CA. earlier this week.  I liked enough to hope it wasn't lip service.

[notty]

 It's on like Donkey Kong.