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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #120 on: April 26, 2013, 10:23:43 PM »
After nearly 8 years, was laid off just two days ago ... sigh

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Consider taking the US Foreign Service exam. As far as I can tell, it's free to take.

http://careers.state.gov/officer#.UXtEi8qRdTw
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With the stars up above in your eyes
A fantabulous night to make romance
'Neath the cover of October skies
And all the leaves on the trees are falling
To the sound of the breezes that blow...

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« Reply #121 on: April 27, 2013, 03:22:13 AM »
Consider taking the US Foreign Service exam. As far as I can tell, it's free to take.

http://careers.state.gov/officer#.UXtEi8qRdTw

Find out the last time the Foreign Service hired anybody over 35.
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« Reply #122 on: April 27, 2013, 07:32:11 AM »
After nearly 8 years, was laid off just two days ago ... sigh

-Munch "new chapter" Wolf


That sucks.  What do you do?
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« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2013, 08:02:56 PM »
 :-\
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« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2013, 04:48:27 PM »
This thread got started possibly as a response to something I may have said over on my Dow thread.  I've never really seen things as either/or, as Dow or this, and my thanks go out to rtpoe for getting this rolling.

Especially now that, after nearly fourteen years' of an underpaying but otherwise damn lucky arrangement, I now find myself teetering dangerously close to quitting.

It's very easy to counsel "Don't quit," and nine times out of ten, I'm inclined to agree.  Quitting is a viable option only for the very slick.  Slick, I've never been.  Yet I'm feeling cornered into it.

For nearly fourteen years I have worked with, as they put it, the developmentally disabled.  It's interesting, the reflex somehow mixing shame and pity people have towards me when they learn what I do: personal shame, because of how rarefied and honorable and near-saintly they decide my work must be, but also pity, as if to convey to me "I'm so sad that you have resigned yourself to a living death."

But you know what?  For the overwhelming most part, I have considered myself lucky.  I've gotten some cool clients along the way.  Even more amazing, I seem to make a difference.  The man I have now, to this day people, including physicians, see his history and are reflexively terrified of him, yet with me he has been a pussycat.  There are probably far bigger, greater things that I probably could have, should have, done, but this felt all right, making a difference, finding my little niche in the world.

So of course someone has to suddenly fuck all that up for no clear reason.

It begins with my client's colon and my client's father.  Something goes wrong with his colon, so to the hospital he goes.  The hospital recommends surgery.  The father says, he'd like a second opinion.  Then later, a third.  And a fourth.  Meanwhile, he's wrangling and shouting with all the doctors.  He is not what I would call, shall we say, a sophisticated man.  Not knowing particulars, I'd be furious with the father, wondering "Why doesn't someone sic a magistrate on him?"  But you know what, perhaps the father has been vindicated.  There's been no surgery, and our man is back, a bit groggier, more explosive with his **107** right now, but we're observing him -- and he may need to go back someday, but he continues to look like he's out of jeopardy, thank God.

At this point, jeopardy sloshes right over onto me.  Time stretches, while the father is shouting and the agency is indecisive.  I have to work another site for one week.  It's not hell, exactly, in any overtly monstrous sense, but it's just relentless exhausting tedium.  One guy barely ever gets up.  Another guy is independent, thank God he's in this mix, surviving somehow.  The remaining guy is endlessly contrary, distracting himself at every moment, clinging to this place or that with tremendous strength.

It's not hell.  But there's no rapport kicking in, either.  I barely get to see the sleeper-in, but the contrarian is just exhausting.  Oh, and I'm not a dog person and there's a dog -- and the thing is, the sleeper-in's family got him the dog figuring "This will make a man of him," but he doesn't like the dog, plus the dog's a bit psycho.  Oh, and two other men get stopped over, and they can wander around and cause havoc if I'm not careful.

I get through the week, with only one shining goal: to finally get my client and my site back.  And for the week thereafter, I get that, and lo, it is good.

And then late Friday afternoon, the boss calls me saying We're switcherooing you.  You know that place you were just at last week?  You're ba-a-ack.

It feels like I'm getting "groomed."  Why do they want me back?  I was barely able to get though any of the basics the last time.  They say they're trying me for a week.  Well, this was the first day, and it sucked.  The sleeper-in NEVER came out.  The contrarian, same old story.  And the nice guy, claims to have a sore throat -- but he may just be playing me.  And the dog.  And the two visitors.

With my rational mind (what there is of it), I do what I can with this.  But my body is in red alert.  I haven't felt dread and apprehension and panic this stifling and intense in years.  It can't be healthy.

I went down to headquarters this morning and gave a report.  I basically said "The experiment has failed."  A woman talked to me, very thoroughly and reasonably, although she doesn't give a shit that my body is flipping out on me.  I go back in tonight.  I may get to talk with someone for extra advice.  That's about it.  But a miracle is going to have to happen pretty damn fast.

This is making precious little sense to me.  So far as I can tell, to this day I'm the only person who can get my client up in two minutes, as opposed to two hours.  He and I have some kind of rapport -- and it's enduring, it hasn't gone away after the long hospital stay.  I could try to teach people how I earned it, but frankly no one is going to go through what I went through to work that out.  Now I'm getting told "Never mind that, now go somewhere else and be sub-mediocre and panicked and miserable."

I've always had trouble with the work, but I never dreaded it, never feared it, never resented it, never caught myself hating it.  Until now.

Towards the end the woman told me that it was not about individuals or any kind of experiment (I don't know, I think the dictionary really does apply here, miss).  She called it a "programatic need."  I felt ice in my heart when she said that.  "Programatic need."  Translation: I get to have it both ways -- I get to talk about something that someone must be embarrassed by and not wish to claim any credit for, and yet in such a way as to make it sound like the irrefutable golden tablets of Joseph Smith.

Maybe it can get better.  Maybe this is temporary.  Maybe.  But I have never resigned myself to a daily, weekly, endless career of grinding heart-squeezing panic and impotent rage, and I'm not starting now.  I will quit and go homeless and kill myself before I do that.

To all of you out there for whom that is indeed life, all I can tell you is, God bless you.  We deserve more.

I cheat, because this is still speculative, the "-ed" hasn't kicked in, and it may still not.  But I don't know where I go.  A single month has gotten me to hate the field I've been in since the Eighties.  I'd love something else now.  I've tried.  For a whole week I once got to help run a bookstore.  I still think of that.

We think the Civil War ended slavery.  Certainly, in its most absolute form, it is gone, but I'm not satisfied by any claim of victory.  It was technology that ended slavery, the recognition that technology could finally make overt slavery no longer seem so viable.  And believe me, a technical fix, I will take.  But a moral victory?  The moral lesson still goes unlearned.  We could dial back 150 years in a heartbeat.

We joke about hating work.  I loved this work.  Once.  But now ... now, I don't know.   

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #125 on: May 13, 2013, 07:24:49 AM »
UPDATE:

Quitting is beginning to look inescapable.

My new kinda-sorta-boss gave me a couple of sick days as of last week.  That grew out of the fact that I tried to explain what was happening to me and she plus another former boss of mine basically kept on repeating the same questions.  Between this horrible feeling in me and all the repetition I'm sure I must have sounded exasperated and that was their reason to say "See your doctor and come back with a note saying you can work."

At first I thought it was a silly damn ploy, but my appointment is tomorrow and I'm all tied up inside.  I plan to abuse my lisinopril and take it just before I go.

About seven hours ago I went and met the woman who used to have my shift.  She's been put in a choke hold, sexually assaulted -- she's put in her damn time with the contrarian.  All other things being equal, I wish I did not have to begrudge her my shift.  Yet my sense of chivalry, let alone my sense of being Sidney Carton in "A Tale of Two Cities," does not extend this far.

I'm fucked.  I'm just fucked.  In Pittsburgh, yet.  The job market's not great.

A resume ... man.  A resume isn't even how my current employer hired me.  I came in sideways, because one site kept calling me from a temp agency so much that the boss there figured, Hire him.  But they don't do that anymore.

I've always been a heavy-hearted kind of person.  Now it's fucking lead.

V to sol below: Thanks.  I am heeding your advice.

V to sol further below: have the IRS follow me.  Uh-huh.  I'm in crisis here, sol.  One at a time, OK?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2013, 02:22:50 AM by DruulEmpire »

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solvegas

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #126 on: May 13, 2013, 09:32:05 AM »
Do not abuse the Lisinopril ! I take it too and you don't want to cut your nose to spite your face. Life can be / is frustrating but no need to be excessively careless.

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #127 on: May 13, 2013, 03:46:46 PM »
Sorry I have not been in this discussion, Druul. There is just too much that is too familiar.

First, a bit of history.

Over the years I have mentioned, but don't expect anyone to remember, two factoids: I grew up as a Quaker; and I had some troubles with the military in the 1960s. From 1940 to 1973 the United States had a military draft. There are good things and bad things about a draft; among the good things, the risks of warfare are shared widely, all are expected to serve, and everyone has a stake in whether we go to war. If any member of the forum between 18 and 26 doesn't give a fuck whether the U.S. goes into Syria, believe me, if we had a draft, you would care. Here's a gun, kid. Go get Asaad.

For reasons about which I rattled on for 14 or 15 pages when I was 19, I did not share my country's enthusiasm for butchering short yellow people. I went thru a rather laborious process to obtain classification as a conscientious objector, and I was so classified. A lot of people then, and probably still, think that ended the process. No, it didn't. It simply meant that I went into a different draft. One of the ironies of the Vietnam War was that the death rate for Vietnam-Era conscientious objectors was higher than that for combat units. See, we got drafted to work in jobs for which there weren't a lot of applicants. A close friend of mine got to drive the two-man submarine that the Seattle Public Utilities Department used to inspect its sewer outlets. I was assigned to work with people who were developmentally disabled, only then they were called "retarded".

C.O.s, as we were called, usually made excellent employees. See, the problem was that if we quit or got fired, we went to the nearest federal prison. The process wasn't quick, and it wasn't certain, but it was there.

So, Druul, I have some idea what you are talking about. There was Rick, who wasn't so much retarded as obssessive. One of the things he obssessed on was stabbing a staff member. That little fucker could make a knife out of the damndest stuff, and since the halls were carpeted (Whoot!) when I worked the graveyard shift, I got to be very sensitive to sound. Then there was Greg, who thought he really should have a car. For a guy who had an I.Q. under 70, he was really good at hot-wiring staff cars. And so on.

The other part of the job, though, is what Druul says--These folks have at least as much to teach us as we have to teach them, especially what it means to be human. The administration was something else. The folks in charge made reassignments on a basis that cannot be described as other than mildly sadistic. I usually got assigned to Rick's building on the night shift. The tiny bit of martial arts training I had as a kid came in handy.

So, Druul, I have some idea of what is happening with you.

My usual advice probably applies here: If you quit, you will have a hard time getting unemployment; it is best to figure out a way to get them to fire you. The most effective way, IMHO, is to tell a co-worker, "The guns are not clean enough yet." It will take two days for the news to reach a supervisor.
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #128 on: May 13, 2013, 07:58:14 PM »
leave a copy of Guns and Ammo on ur desk. Quick ticket to Human Resources.
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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #129 on: May 13, 2013, 11:29:07 PM »
Or claim to be a TEA party member and possibly have the IRS follow you into the work premises.  ;D

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DruulEmpire

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« Reply #130 on: May 14, 2013, 06:15:00 PM »
So here's how it looks right now.  They gave me some days off to see a doctor and get a note saying whether or not I can work.  Of course, the note says I can work.  That's never been the controversy.

I'm not quitting.  If they fire me, for whatever reason, I'll tell them I'll want that in writing and that they will be hearing from an attorney.

If they let me work, which is what I expect they want me to do, then I will take the job again and stay at it till Friday the 24th (though I will not specify that to them).  However, I will first read to them a printed statement that what they have is a potentially explosive situation which will not stand public scrutiny.  I will add, off the record, that they have a week to do something about it.

I'm guessing they'll blow me off.  Aw, isn't that sweet, the little peon who we can abuse anyway we need to in this economy gets to sound huffy but then obeys us anyway.  The thing is, though, that if they smugly do nothing, they hear from an attorney.

Basically, either way you slice it, an attorney is comin' at them.

Left entirely to myself, I would simply do what feels right, and quit.  I take up seven more undoubtedly shitty days of work only for two reasons.  The first is my father.  He was once chairman of the university history department, but before that he could have been a lawyer.  It was tempting to choose law, and the money in it, but he went with history, because he loved it more.  For my father I will put up with a hill of shit because I love and trust and respect him.  (And all this just in time for Father's Day -- honestly, Hollywood can't write this.)  His word is his bond.  If he says it's worth it, it's worth it, and if he says he'll come through for me, and blow ten or fifteen grand to fight this shit, he will.  The second reason is my coworkers.  Sure, I can quit -- while this stupid situation remains.  I'd love to do better for them.

Of course, what would be truly loopy is if I develop a sudden helpful rapport with this problem client after all, the ultimate vindication of my bosses' otherwise shitty attitude.  But I kinda doubt it.

But we'll see what unfolds.

 

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #131 on: May 14, 2013, 09:11:25 PM »
BTW, Druul, part of my prior post is really secret legal advice--If you quit, then sue, the burden of proving intolerable working conditions is on you; but if they fire you, the burden of proof is on them to prove your work wasn't satisfactory.
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« Reply #132 on: May 19, 2013, 02:35:29 AM »
And today I feel like eating crow the size of a turkey.  At least based on my last two nights' work.

I've never seen anything like it.  The fighter now barely fights, the sleeper now gets up almost automatically, and even the dog almost never barks.  I miss the old shift, but literally overnight I have to admit this is looking ... doable.  And the thing is, they're still not saying if this is permanent.

Plus they're looking after me -- in their way.  I had five days off, plus I get to see a counselor -- and that's the other wild turnaround.  Best damn counselor I've ever had in my entire clinically depressed life.  Too many of these are tender and skittish, or simply generic in their approach, always handling me like some frail house of cards with whom they have to fret over every nuance.  This one's very different: I try to answer very thoroughly, she comes right back with follow-up questions.  She seems to be actually pursuing a DESTINATION to the therapy -- how self-destructive is THAT?

So, I thought very seriously I would need this thread, and it's early yet, but I think I may relinquish it.  I'm still pissed about what has happened to others before, but perhaps I'm part of a solution after all -- and I've learned that my father more or less has my back.  These two months have been WAY too eventful.

I hereby give the floor back to Munch, and Robin_K, and Ninjamohawk, and Zealot, and dand, and MasterDragonfly -- anyone, really.

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Re: The Unemployed Lounge
« Reply #133 on: May 19, 2013, 03:06:39 AM »
Still unemployed ....

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« Reply #134 on: May 19, 2013, 03:29:47 AM »
I hereby give the floor back to Munch, and Robin_K, and Ninjamohawk, and Zealot, and dand, and MasterDragonfly -- anyone, really.

Druul, I take it that this is good, then? I'm glad that you're getting good help, even if the route to it was so hellacious. I sincerely praise you for your humility, and acceptance of help. These indicate strength of character. Easy? Far from it, I know too well. It sounds to me like a strong man is becoming stonger.

See the off-topic forum for my own latest drama. I'm so tired of people beating down those of us who are already beaten down.