[derf79]

I feel what Milom is saying...but of course it's her body. I just wish she would have consulted her fans first. For me to have any interest now, she'd have to go bigger than big. I love huge naturals like hers used to be; the rareness of it is the attraction. But once you go big and fake, you have to go really big and fake to catch my eye. Plus just to make up for the resentment of her chopping she'd have to go REALLY big for me to spend money like I used to on her.

[MasterDragonfly]

Don't understand the high nipple placement, majority of implant lovers like that?  Walleyed is one thing but the nipple on the upper half is just weird.

Typically the surgeon will measure a standard distance from the notch where the collarbones meet (don't recall what that notch is called) to where the nipple is or should be.

Memory is fuzzy at the moment, but I want to say that standard distance is 22-24 cm.

For average housewife-sized implants, that tends to make sense.  For huge implants, that's when the nipples start pointing skywards.

[pedonbio]

Dear Lindsey,

The choice was indeed yours.

Meh.

[gmantwo]

Does anyone know why surgeons make the areolae so much smaller (and imo, phony looking), for reductions? Is there a medical reason or just convenience?

[dfdf]

I feel what Milom is saying...but of course it's her body. I just wish she would have consulted her fans first. For me to have any interest now, she'd have to go bigger than big. I love huge naturals like hers used to be; the rareness of it is the attraction. But once you go big and fake, you have to go really big and fake to catch my eye. Plus just to make up for the resentment of her chopping she'd have to go REALLY big for me to spend money like I used to on her.

Consult her "fans"? these are "fans" that are willing to turn coat on her when she makes a decision with her body. These are "fans" that obviously want control over her body just gawk at it with pretty much no regard for her physical or mental well being. These are not fans you consult.

Look I get it, I really do. She had beautiful natural breasts, shrunk them and now is coming back with augmented breasts, it won't be the same. I get the disappointment, but what I don't get is the contempt and sense of entitlement. I highly doubt she would've gotten a reduction, had she known that this is position years later and you know what? That's ok she's only human after all.        

[Art Vandalay]

If she's happy with them, she's happy with them, but those areola are smaller than dimes.  That just doesn't look right IMHO.

[MasterDragonfly]

Does anyone know why surgeons make the areolae so much smaller (and imo, phony looking), for reductions? Is there a medical reason or just convenience?

There seems to be some sort of association that larger/pendulous breasts equivocates with being older.  Getting a reduction would be the time to do an areolar reduction, which is perceived by many (many women getting reductions, at any rate) as having a more youthful appearance.

Surgeons typically have various templating tools available for creating standard sizes.  To the best of my knowledge, the largest of these is 2" in diameter.  Anything larger than that, the surgeon has to do freehand.  When cherri went for her lift/augmentation, we made it clear to the surgeon to avoid reducing her areolae.  He did a pretty good job of that.

Personally I'm not fond of areolar reductions, and find the instances where they're reduced to comically tiny proportions to be, well, ookie.

Master "today's technical word of the day is 'ookie'" Dragonfly

[ninjrk]

Consult her "fans"? these are "fans" that are willing to turn coat on her when she makes a decision with her body. These are "fans" that obviously want control over her body just gawk at it with pretty much no regard for her physical or mental well being. These are not fans you consult.

Look I get it, I really do. She are beautiful natural breasts, shrunk them and now is coming back with augmented breasts, it won't be the same. I get the disappointment, but what I don't get is the contempt and sense of entitlement. I highly doubt she would've gotten a reduction, had she known that this is position years later and you know what? That, ok she's only human after all.         

Very well put.  Yes, her natural breasts were objects of wonder and I still think they are the finest natural boobs I've ever seen.  Simply perfect.  However, they constantly hurt according to her, never mind the back pain, the public stares and nasty looks, etc.  She apparently thought she was retiring for good and decided she wanted them reduced, possibly because of her husband's wishes in part but none of us know.  She decided to get back into the business for whatever reason and realized that moderately cute chicks are all over the place these days and she needed a bigger physical hook.  I understand the disappointment but Geeze, it's not like she came up to every fan's house and said "Fuck you, I'm chopping them off because I want to hurt you!".  I think it also shows how much bullshit we fans tend to spout.  Fans rhapsodize about these models, profess dreams of marriage, what wonderful people they are, how much we like them and how special they are, etc.  Then one has a reduction and she's dog shit at worst, unworthy of attention at best.  Strangely enough, with the exception of about 2-5% of her body mass she's the exact same person as she was before her reduction.

She did what she thought was best for her and apparently decided to make another choice that she thinks is best for her.  Maybe it'll work and maybe it won't.  However, I rather doubt those choices were personally and vindictively directed at any of us. 

Matt

[Q_BE]

Every time I see this thread, I think I'm reading about LDW's new boob job.

Q-"Egads!"-BE

[onion_writer]

It's very nice to see so many defending Linsey Dawn. I don't think any of us who have spoken negatively meant to do so out of rancor. For my own part, I merely meant that I don't care to spend money to see more. I'm content with my old LDM DVDs.

Of course it's her body. It's also, as for any model -- even a conventional model -- the basis of a business. Some businesses lose fashion, and some close. Some come back, better than before. (And she does generally look very good, especially considering that she's now 32.)

I'm sure we all wish her every success, but some of us are going to keep our dollars to ourselves for now. The new body just doesn't excite me, and no one can argue with my feelings.

So good luck, LDM, and we all hope you find many new fans!

[milom]

The argument that "we don't own her, so we (you) have no right to complain" is a total and absolute strawman, and I'm tired of seeing it.  I cannot speak for anyone else, but what kills me the most about this is that it looks an awful lot like she's "come crawling back".

Supposedly having big boobs is an incredibly agonizing burden.  Anything over a double D is apparently an exponentially crippling birth defect.  So in the rare case of when a woman reduces them and has unusually large implants put back in a couple years later, in a painful surgical procedure...it tends to casually explode the argument that they were painful to her because they were too big.

When a model gets a reduction and removes her horrid, unusually large breasts, we say it's dissapointing, and it is.  They bring us a joy they couldn't understand because of gender differences.  But you are mistaken if you think there's any anger or whatever there.  It's usually understood that in this business, when they get a reduction, or get their implants removed, it's because they found their happy ending.  They got married to a good guy, and are starting a family and all of that American Dream stuff.  Or maybe they're taking the money they wisely socked away and they're retiring to an easy life of gardening and wine tasting etc.  So it's like they left at the top of their game.  To use a metaphor, it's like how everybody respects Seinfeld for not pulling a Simpsons and walking it's aged, uninteresting corpse around for the next 20 years making everyone uncomfortable.

What you don't seem to understand is that what is obvious in Lindsey's case is that her happy ending turned to shit.  She wouldn't be doing this if she didn't have to.  Something bad happened, and she needs the money bad enough to sell new naked photographs of herself.  She is hurting herself, doing something she doesn't want to do, because she needs money.  She has no other means of support.

And that is incredibly sad and depressing.  Doubly so, because after all this shit I simply don't find her attractive enough to help her!  I can't join her website, and I'd wager a vastly smaller amount of people will subscribe and send her that 19.95 she needs so badly.  So now I see these pictures, and know that on top of fucking her body up with these dumb implants, she's also fucking broke, and I'm too much of an asshole to care now.  Ok so now I feel sad about her, where before I was happy and nostalgic.

On top of THAT is the knowledge that having big tits wasn't such a big deal to her that she wouldn't mind having them back!!!!!  Are you fucking shitting me!?

Do me a favor and knock that shit off where you're like "you freaks need to leave her alone, it's her body."  Yea well, she's trying to sell it to me, pal.  If it's her body, then she should take it off the market.  Everybody was satisfied when she retired.  Desperation is never good boner material.

I know you don't give a fuck about her, god knows none of you will subscribe.  So cut the white knight shit.

[pedonbio]

I'm certainly with onion_writer on this. What LDM was doing was marketing. We have here another Oldmobile marketing disaster.

Sales were so-so. Oldsmobile marketing came up with the "Not your father's Oldsmobile" campaign. I suspect they knew the risks, but it turned into a disaster and we no longer have Oldsmobiles. What the campaign said to its old customers was: We don't want you any more. Unfortunately, the "new" car looked and ran just like the old one, so the "new" customers didn't want it.

Now Lindsey seems to be saying to her "old" customers, "I didn't really mean it, come on back."

[Q_BE]

Now Lindsey seems to be saying to her "old" customers, "I didn't really mean it, come on back."

And the "new" customers don't want another generic big-boobed implanted model.

Very soon we will no longer have Lindsey Dawn McKenzie.
I say enjoy her while you've got her, because she's in for an EPIC fail.

Q-"Over and out"-BE

[dfdf]

It's very nice to see so many defending Linsey Dawn. I don't think any of us who have spoken negatively meant to do so out of rancor. For my own part, I merely meant that I don't care to spend money to see more. I'm content with my old LDM DVDs.

Of course it's her body. It's also, as for any model -- even a conventional model -- the basis of a business. Some businesses lose fashion, and some close. Some come back, better than before. (And she does generally look very good, especially considering that she's now 32.)

I'm sure we all wish her every success, but some of us are going to keep our dollars to ourselves for now. The new body just doesn't excite me, and no one can argue with my feelings.

So good luck, LDM, and we all hope you find many new fans!

It's hard to argue that there isn't a bit of contempt in some of these post, but I don't think the woman's above criticism. The fact that she's getting a boob job pretty much cements the fact that the reduction was a mistake, but at the same time everyone makes mistakes. She didn't get a reduction out of spite her fans but the opinion that it would better her life. Clearly that's backfired and she's in the position she's in right now. I don't feel sorry for her as she's in a better potion than most, but at the same time I don't feel there's any reason to be this mad about it.

You're not interest in her new upcoming look, fine, but if you're not interested or going to buy into it then what are you complaining about? Those beautiful natural boobs are gone, they've been gone for a good while now and aren't coming back.

[ninjrk]

Speaking as someone who did indeed watch her ice her tits because they hurt so much, I rather hope that implants, which aren't going to be capable of causing swelling and edema within the non-existant adipose tissue of an implant, won't have the same problems.  Back is another story but that was apparently never the main source of pain.As someone who did indeed subscribe, her membership seems to be doing fairly well.  Hopefully, this will work for her and make it more profitable.  Hopefully she remembered with the implants the advice I gave when she did the reduction to use Tegaderm for external closure support.  Sigh, my main claim to any peripheral Linsey fame. . . 

Matt