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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2008, 10:28:30 AM »
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Oceans 11, then Oceans 12, then Oceans 13.
If this isn't enough reason to ban remakes, I don't know what it.

I rest my case.



Not entirely fair. O11 is one of the purely enjoyable films of the decade. The two that followed, well, those were crap. Especially that middle one. I mean, Christ.

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I haven't seen it, but I heard they re-made 12 Angry Men.  What a crime.  Classics shouldn't be re-made, IMHO.  A B-film or a modestly successful picture, well, OK, it's interesting to get a different take on it, but seriously, 12 Angry Men is a masterpiece.  To do that in real-time, address and resolve as many different issues with 12 speaking parts, all involved, was genius.



I would call that an unfair statement too. I think remakes of classics can be fair play if they have something new to say with the passage of time, or a new angle to be taken. The Twelve Angry Men remake (a TV-movie, for Showtime I believe) is one the finest remakes I've ever seen. It was directed by William Friedkin (The Exorcist) and adapted by the original author, Reginald Rose, and the cast is without peer--even the most minor jurors are towering actors. Jack Lemmon, George C. Scott, Ossie Davis, Courtney B. Vance, Armin Mueller-Stahl, James Gandolfini, Hume Cronyn, Dorian Harewood, Mykelti Williamson, Edward James Olmos, William Petersen, Tony Danza (at his career best), and Mary McDonnell even appears as the judge. The award love the remake received is also some proof of how respected it was. I can definitely understand your feelings, but even with almost the same script, I think both versions stand alone unto themselves. This one's definitely worth checking out.

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Psycho (1998), with Vince Vaughn and Anne Heche, turned out to be better than I had anticiipated.  Under no circumstances is it on a par with Hitch's, but it isn't bad at all.  The dialogue is virtually the same, word for word.



Using more or less the same script is one thing, if the script is pretty much perfect (I would advocate the same if All About Eve ever got a revisit, for instance), but you neglected to mention that along with using the same script, the 1998 Psycho is a shot-for-shot remake of the original, and uses a re-recording of the original score. I don't understand the point of this. If someone's gonna use the same screenplay and storyboard the movie out so it's shot exactly the same (which essentially requires the exact same sets) and use the exact same music, then all you've done is take the original movie and drop new actors into it, which means all you've done is spend a whole lot of money to basically poke a hole in a classic film and let all the magic seep out. ::Shrug:: I really don't get it. I mean, that is the most LITERAL version of a remake, to the extent of being utterly pointless. It doesn't GET less original than that.



Disagree.  We can agree to disagree on what a "re-make" should be, but the plain meaning of the words indicates that it IS simply a re-do with different actors.  What you describe is a re-formulation or re-telling, which is fine, if you like to take those kinds of creative liberties.  To me, it smacks of plagiarism--taking someone else's idea and trying to improve on it.  There is nothing original in that.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2008, 03:02:47 PM »
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ID4 was a better remake of War of the Worlds

-Munch "course I didn't watch WotW with Tom Cruise .. because right there. . that says suckage" Wolf



There was also a stright to DVD adaptation of war of the Worlds released the same time as the Tom Cruise version.It starred C.Thomas Howell,and was rated R because the deaths were gorier and people said the F-word a couple of times.It was kind of fun to watch;the shoestring buddget showed in the special effects,but not everyone you liked came out alive.No,it was a bit more believable.
I just saw a Swedish vampire movie called "Let the Right One In",and read it will have an American remake.Expect plenty of twentysomethings playing highschoolers or something along those lines,since the original's main characters are all twelve years old.....doing things reserved (by law) for actors eighteen or over.
Still,I highly recommend seeing this film.It's scary.The lead vampiress is chilling.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2008, 04:48:56 PM »
Yeah, I was reading about Let the Right One In the other day. It sounds EXCELLENT. I wanna read the book and then see the movie...from everything I've heard, I don't see how it can benefit from an American remake.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2008, 09:48:51 PM »
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"The Brazilian Job" should be the Sheyla Almeida Hershey story.

+1 Druul!  I agree 100%
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2008, 10:58:45 PM »
You know, Hollywood could make a film adaptation of that 1960's highly aclaimed TV drama of tough men in tough situations, " Gomer Pyle, USMC " ( Gaaahlly, Shaazzam !!, Sargeant Carter, Sargeant Carter ! ).  
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2008, 11:20:52 PM »
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evilkirk: I think they should remake movies with good premises that were executed badly.  'Logan's Run' is a good example; the novel had meaning and depth, while the film was dumbed-down and had a cheesy, '70s look.  I'm intrigued by the remake of 'Forbidden Planet'.  The producers say they will strive to keep the look and flavour of the original.  

Yeah, right. I'll believe that when they cast Leslie Nielsen in it...again.

Speaking of remakes of pretty good films, The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3 is being remade.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2008, 11:53:36 PM »
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"The Brazilian Job" should be the Sheyla Almeida Hershey story.

+1 Druul!  I agree 100%



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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2008, 12:34:08 AM »
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You know, Hollywood could make a film adaptation of that 1960's highly aclaimed TV drama of tough men in tough situations, " Gomer Pyle, USMC " ( Gaaahlly, Shaazzam !!, Sargeant Carter, Sargeant Carter ! ).  

NO, please, no! I saw what they did to the TV show The Phil Silvers Show; they extracted the Sgt. Bilko character and made a junky film about him forty or so years later, starring Steve Martin. As talented as he no doubt is, Steve Martin seems to be the go-to guy for unnecessary remakes of films or unnecessary film adaptations of old TV shows (e.g. The Pink Panther, Sgt. Bilko, Cheaper By The Dozen, Father of the Bride).

And speaking of Father of the Bride, that film's been remade no less than four times IIRC. There oughta be a law....
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #83 on: November 20, 2008, 05:28:10 AM »
Father of the Bride worked, and was worthy of a remake because a lot of things about that situation had changed over three or four decades. Remaking The Pink Panther was a sacrilege, and Sgt. Bilko was just a friggin disaster.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #84 on: November 20, 2008, 10:19:10 AM »
I watch the original "Bad News Bears" the other night and I was surprise with the sexual innuendo, bad language, skimpy outfit of the moms in the bleacher, smoking from the k1d, racial slur of "jews, spic, and niggers". I just had in my mind that things were more kosher with film meant for that age group.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2008, 10:43:13 PM »
Proof that Hollywood has lost it.

They are remaking  a documentary!!!

 Grey Gardens - 1975

 Grey Gardens - 2009
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2008, 04:09:00 AM »
That's confusing.

Grey Gardens (the documentary) was adapted into a highly acclaimed Broadway musical a couple of years ago that was basically written up as one of the most profound shows to hit the stage in quite a while. But this film isn't an adaptation of the musical...it's a straight fictional film. It can't be as good as the musical. What the hell gives?
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #87 on: November 27, 2008, 10:38:37 AM »
Someone should remake Gone With the Wind as a porno.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2008, 01:03:43 PM »
The porn industry is known to make every major movie into a porn. I would be very surprise if "Gone with the Wind" wasn't one of them.
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Re: Hollywood and Remakes
« Reply #89 on: November 28, 2008, 12:11:29 AM »
From what Google's been able to tell me, there isn't, but I just can't believe that.
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